Zionists still using human shields

[moono]

Israel yesterday suffered its worst day since the Lebanon conflict began when 14 of its soldiers were believed to have been killed in fighting with Hizbullah, a military calamity that could prove to be a turning point in the war


Israel tried to balance its losses by claiming that Hizbullah had lost scores of men in the heavy fighting which was continuing as night fell. Hizbullah, which is heavily armed, has reportedly mined all approaches from Israel. The guerrillas are said to have sophisticated roadside bombs of the type used against US and British forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1831110,00.html

The bastards. They're using sophisticated bombs.

 

[TeeJay]

Hizbollah use human shields by launching missiles from residential areas. How do you feel about this?

I repeat my question.

Please answer it moono.

 

[TAE]

Is there actually any evidence for that claim?

 

[moono]

Of course not. Hizb Allah are friends and relatives to the surrounding population. They're all Leba-bloody-nese.

Hizbollah use human shields by launching missiles from residential areas. How do you feel about this?

I think they should all paint themselves white, with a roundel on the top of their heads, and stand in open fields firing their muzzle-loaders at the Zionists Apache attack helicopters.

Now answer my question. Where is Olmert's bunker ?

 

[TeeJay]

Now answer my question. Where is Olmert's bunker ?

I don't know but I will guess and say it is maybe located in government buildings in Tel Aviv? What about it?

You haven't actually answered my question:

"Hizbollah use human shields by launching missiles from residential areas. How do you feel about this?"

Are you saying that they don't launch missile or rockets from residential areas? Are you saying they don't blend in with the non-combatant poputation while at the same time launching attacks?

Are you saying that it is wrong for IDF to use 'human shields' but it is OK for Hezbullah to do so, or are you denying that Hezbullah actually do this?

Why can't you condemn both sides for doing this?

 

[moono]

Why can't you condemn both sides for doing this?

Just try and see it clearly.

On the one hand you have an indigenous resistance which is fighting from it's own territory against an extremely well-armed invader. The invader has robot camera/rocket drones and is the beneficiary of high-resolution satellite imagery provided by Uncle Slam.

On the other hand you have the aggressive and invasive force which has habitually, for years, taken Palestinian hostages and forced them to stand in front of their soldiers while they shoot at Palestinians, forced them to go first into buildings for the purpose of saving themselves from the resistance within and even tied them to the fronts of armoured vehicles on patrol.

You somehow have managed to confuse what the first group do with what the second group do.
No worries though, the Israeli High Court has ordered it stopped. The IOF might STILL be using Palestinians as shields but it knows it does so illegally. The threat of war crimes prosecution can never be far away

 

[TAE]

You haven't actually answered my question:

"Hizbollah use human shields by launching missiles from residential areas. How do you feel about this?"

And you haven't answered mine:

Is there actually any evidence for that claim?

 

[TeeJay]

And you haven't answered mine:

I have seen BBC footage of rockets being fired from residential neighbourhoods.

I will keep my eyes open for reports mentioning this and post a link here when I find one.

 

[Spion]

I have seen BBC footage of rockets being fired from residential neighbourhoods.

I will keep my eyes open for reports mentioning this and post a link here when I find one.

What would you do it you were Hizbullah? Set aside whether or not you agree with anything they say or do for a minute and put yourself in the position of a force of that level of resources facing an enemy as well-equipped and backed as the Israelis and tell me what your approach would be militarily-speaking.

 

[TAE]

Hiding between people you care about makes no sense.

 

[TeeJay]

What would you do it you were Hizbullah? Set aside whether or not you agree with anything they say or do for a minute and put yourself in the position of a force of that level of resources facing an enemy as well-equipped and backed as the Israelis and tell me what your approach would be militarily-speaking.

Difficult to say what I would do if I were Hizbollah, seeing as there are a lot of other things that would go along with that - what I was fighting for, what I believed in, what I felt was legitimate or not.

I'd like to think that I would not use human shields.

The main issue I am raising here is what appears to be double standards by moono - he starts a thread about the IDF using human sheilds (a tactic ruled illegal by the Israeli courts), but will not give a straight answer about Hesbollah using human shields.

I feel that both sides in this conflict are in an unpleasant position that I wouldn't like to be in.

 

[moono]

The main issue I am raising here is what appears to be double standards by moono - he starts a thread about the IDF using human sheilds (a tactic ruled illegal by the Israeli courts), but will not give a straight answer about Hesbollah using human shields.

I've already cleared myself of your false accusations twice in this thread. Your mind is blocked.
Every country and every military in the world is guilty of using 'human shields' according to your definition of it. The IOF crimes, as highlighted by the Israeli High Court, are specific.

 

[bristol_citizen]

What would you do it you were Hizbullah?

Conclude there is a straightforward border dispute between neighbours in the region, call a unilateral ceasefire and use the leverage gained to seek a long-term and just settlement for my Palestinian brothers.

 

[moono]

That depends upon what Hizb Allah still have left in the locker. A few dozen smokin' Zionist jets littering the landscape could hasten progressive change in the region.

 

[bristol_citizen]

That depends upon what Hizb Allah still have left in the locker. A few dozen smokin' Zionist jets littering the landscape could hasten progressive change in the region.

A more intensive war is just as likely to create an even more intensive war. Progressive change will result from negotiation not from the end of a gun.

 

[TeeJay]

Every country and every military in the world is guilty of using 'human shields' according to your definition of it.

How is your definition different to mine?

It is touching to see the faith you have in Israeli justice.

What have the Israeli courts said about Hamas and Hizbollah?

 

[Spion]

Conclude there is a straightforward border dispute between neighbours in the region, call a unilateral ceasefire and use the leverage gained to seek a long-term and just settlement for my Palestinian brothers.

What leverage would be gained from ceasing fire if the Israelis don't? That'd be like standing in front of somone pummelling you with their fists and dropping your arms to your side.

 

[bristol_citizen]

What leverage would be gained from ceasing fire if the Israelis don't? That'd be like standing in front of somone pummelling you with their fists and dropping your arms to your side.

Israel's stated intent is to protect their borders and their civilians and military from attack. A Hezbullah cease fire would mean Israel had temporarily, at least, achieved their stated objective. Why would the Israelis continue to fight?

 

[Spion]

Israel's stated intent is to protect their borders and their civilians and military from attack. A Hezbullah cease fire would mean Israel had temporarily, at least, achieved their stated objective. Why would the Israelis continue to fight?

I'm not sure if you're ill-informed or playing dumb here. Israel is set on protecting its borders by nullifying the armed capability of Hizbullah. Seeing as its tactic of holding most of the Lebanese nation hostage in an effort to get the Leb army to do the job has failed, it is in the situation where it is forced to do it itself. Whether it has the stomach for that is another question. Nevertheless, in the meantime, a unilateral Hizb ceasefire would mean not defending itself against the Israeli assault. Only a fool would do that.

This war has been planned for quite a while. The hostages thing was a convenient pretext.

This is from this BBC article

"This time, neither Israel nor the US wants to accept Hezbollah as a party to anything, nor do they want its patrons Syria or Iran to be involved, except apparently in a capitulation.

For them, any settlement must be based on the defeat of Hezbollah and the humiliation of its Syrian and Iranian sponsors."

 

[moono]

BC;

A more intensive war is just as likely to create an even more intensive war. Progressive change will result from negotiation not from the end of a gun.

There will never be any negotiation with the Zionists without military parity with the Zionists.

 

[bristol_citizen]

BC;


There will never be any negotiation with the Zionists without military parity with the Zionists.

This is a recipe for ongoing war.

 

[moono]

Armaments are 'a recipe for ongoing war '. If America continues to make them and provide them to the fascists then how can you expect peace ?
By means of a crushing Zionist victory ? Evidently not, yet that is the thinking in Tel Aviv, Washington and London.

 

[TeeJay]

If America continues to make them and provide them to the fascists then how can you expect peace ?

America aren't giving them to fascists, Iran and Syria are.

 

[big footed fred]

Armaments are 'a recipe for ongoing war '. If Iran continues to make them and provide them to the torrorists then how can you expect peace ?


2 sides to all arguments.

Just a case of seeing the other

 

[moono]

2 sides to all arguments.

Incorrect. Some facts are indisputable, except by demented Dumpties.
Two out of ten for parroting though.

 

[cemertyone]

All these anti israeli posts are fine and in some ways correct as it is true israel goes too far but you refuse to admit that the arab side is just as bad in their ideas if not as good at murder.

Fuck here we go.... its the old " Both sides are as bad as each other routine" that BFF and his mates in the British Army and Murdochs media used to say about the conflict in N-Ireland....same propaganda different location.....
Next we will be listening to him telling us about the " God-Fathers of Terrorism in Iran"..........stick another record on and put your Daily Mail down....What will it be next week with Refugees...Single mothers...dole cheaters......yawn yawn yawn....

 

[cemertyone]

[QUOTE=big footed ...............torrorist

[/QUOTE

What the fucks that... is it....
(a) A new terrorist weapon??
(b) A terrorist with a bad waist??
(c) The results of a shit education which seen you leave school and go bang right into the Army..
Answers on a post card please....

 

[nino_savatte]

America aren't giving them to fascists, Iran and Syria are.

Which "fascists" would these be, Teejay?

 

[nino_savatte]

What have the Israeli courts said about Hamas and Hizbollah?

Whatever they have said, I'm sure it went along the lines of "they're illegal". Of course, sois the continued Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the killing of civilians, yet Israel feels that it is above any law promulagated outside of its borders....including UN resolutions, which while they aren't laws, are expected to be adhered to by all parties concerned. The US and Israel cherry pick which resolutions should be obeyed and both tend to disregard most of them when they are the focus of them.