Zionists still using human shields

[moono]

Full credit for asking, TAE.

My own position is that the State of Israel is a legal entity which enjoys the support of UN membership status. Its existence is enshrined in the international law which created it with the approval of the British Mandate. Israel came into being in 1948 and Israel is the , largely, internationally-accepted home of Israelis.

However, Israel has become a rogue state. Israel gets away with its crimes solely through the unwavering support of the US. This is not only unfair to the rest of the world community but it is also illegal and against the conditions of the world community's subscription to the UN. It is extremely doubtful that any of them would have supported the creation of the UN if they had forseen how a Security Council member would abuse its position in order to support a rogue state.

So, 'what the lord have giveth, the lord may taketh away'. My position is that Israel either gets rid of its fascist Zionist government and starts to pull its international weight or that the international community begins the process of putting its money where its mouth is and puts Zionism in the dock once more, as it did in the 1970s when Zionism was found guilty, by the UN, of being a racist doctrine.

'Israeli go home' then means go home to the Israel legally ascribed by UN Resolution. 'While you've still got one ' refers to the , welcome, possibility that the status of the Israeli State is interwoven with its commitment to abide by the laws which created it.

This is not a matter of force of arms or 'who was here first'. It's a matter of international law and your own future, mine too, is very much dependent upon that law being respected and applied.

 

[moono]

Bristol Citizen;

Would that include suicide bombings of bars for instance?

You see that as 'protest' ?

 

[bristol_citizen]

Bristol Citizen;


You see that as 'protest' ?

No. I was wondering if you did?

 

[bendeus]

Is telling any race to go home racist.

Try saying blacks go home and see the reaction.

How about when Iraqis tell the Americans to 'go home'? Racist?

 

[bendeus]

How about saying 'go home' to the british troops in Iraq? Is that racist?

Mind you, I'm not sure what moono means by home when he is talking about israelis.

Oop!

 

[Fuchs66]

Israel has issued new censorship guidelines banning reporting of the "use of unique kinds of ammunition and weaponry" in Lebanon. This comes amid reports that Israel is using chemical weapons during its bombing of civilians in Lebanon. Below is the text of the guidelines, sent to international and local news organizations by the chief Israeli military censor, Colonel Sima Vaknin-Gil, on 23 July.
http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/israel_censor.htm

via https://israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4971/index.php

although Im not sure where its coming from

Anyone got anymore info on the chemical weapons allegations?

 

[big footed fred]

How about when Iraqis tell the Americans to 'go home'? Racist?

The Yanks are an invading military force but most Israelis are 2nd, 3rd or even 4th generation to live in the area.
They are now a race of people and so to use any term that may suggest you wish a given race be hurt or be forced to do any action as a result of being part of that race is, by nature, racist.

So lets say I dislike chinese people and say "Chinese go home", Is that racist ?

They are not an invading force in this country and even if many are illegal here it still forms a racist remark.
Moono is also a racist but his target is israelis. He, like other racists, likes to disguise his distastful politics by using the word zionist.
In this way he can claim to be against a political idea and not against a racial group. He has slipped this time and said what he means exposing his true thoughts.

 

[bristol_citizen]

As someone with friends currently in Haifa (and Tel Aviv and Jerusalem) I find some of the attitudes of these self-styled "anti-zionists" disturbing in the extreme.
Their callous disregard for my friends' lives is dehumanising.

 

[nino_savatte]

Is telling any race to go home racist.

Try saying blacks go home and see the reaction.

Israel is a country, not a race of people.

 

[big footed fred]

Israel is a country, not a race of people.

Good job moono said "Israeli" then.

Israeli go home. While you've still got one.

 

[moono]

Right then Fred, that's enough of the ink blot game.

Let's try some word associations. I say a word and you say the first thing that comes into your, er, mind.

Ready ?

 

[TeeJay]

I'm quoting from the Israeli High Court and the BBC

Your links just say there is an accusation and an investigation.

 

[TeeJay]

Right then Fred, that's enough of the ink blot game.

Let's try some word associations. I say a word and you say the first thing that comes into your, er, mind.

Ready ?

moono

 

[moono]

Teejay;

Your links just say there is an accusation and an investigation.

No they don't. One reports the Israeli High Court decision that the practise must STOP.

 

[nino_savatte]

Good job moono said "Israeli" then.

Israelis aren't a race either, they're a nationality.

 

[Fuchs66]

Teejay;


No they don't. One reports the Israeli High Court decision that the practise must STOP.

I think you'll find Teejay was refering to the current accusations (as too did your initial post) and not to a decision made in the past (that does have relevance on the current accusation if it is proven)

 

[Spion]

As someone with friends currently in Haifa (and Tel Aviv and Jerusalem) I find some of the attitudes of these self-styled "anti-zionists" disturbing in the extreme.
Their callous disregard for my friends' lives is dehumanising.

Why do you express such concern for your friends but fail to mention the hundreds dying in Lebanon. Is it because you are an anti-Arab racist? I think so. Now we have seen who is inhuman.

 

[moono]

So, in summary, the IOF most certainly used Palestinians as human shields and their own High Court told them to knock it off. They continued to do it , according to witnesses, and now there are further accusations that they are STILL at it.

OK ?

Whilst they are doing it, they accuse the resistance of hiding amongst the Palestinian population ( notwithstanding that the Palestinian population ARE the resistance.) Not only do the IOF hide behind the population themselves, they hide behind the PALESTINIAN population ( illegal according to international law and their own internal law )

The IOF are fascists.

Israeli go home ( and take Fred with you )

 

[big footed fred]

So, in summary, the IOF most certainly used Palestinians as human shields and their own High Court told them to knock it off. They continued to do it , according to witnesses, and now there are further accusations that they are STILL at it.
( illegal according to international law and their own internal law )

The IOF are fascists.

Israeli go home ( and take Fred with you )

So using palestinians as human shields is illegal - fine, I agree and it's immoral too.
Killing Palestinians who have no active part in the conflict is the same.

So will you agree that killing israelis that have no active part is the same.
Is a bomb on a bus or in a restaurant illegal under international law moono ?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

So will you agree that killing israelis that have no active part is the same.

Is a bomb on a bus or in a restaurant illegal under international law moono ?

In fact I'm not sure it is, for the technical reason that international law surely covers the actions of states rather than individuals? (Note I am making a point of law rather than ethics.)

 

[warren]

Warren;


Suck this, warren;


That's 'use of', not 'alleged use of'. I shall expect your retraction forthwith. Lol.

You don't seriously call those links authoritative, do you ? Lol.

The army denied its personnel systematically used civilians as human shields during that operation, but it did issue an order outlawing the practice. As did the Israeli High Court.

No retraction

 

[bristol_citizen]

Is it because you are an anti-Arab racist?

No.

I think so.

The term "think" alongside yourself sits uneasily.

Now we have seen who is inhuman.

"We"? You have multiple personalities?

 

[moono]

Warren;

No retraction

Creep.

 

[warren]

Warren;


Creep.

Poo-Head.

 

[TeeJay]

No they don't. One reports the Israeli High Court decision that the practise must STOP.

Regarding recent events they only have an accusation and an investigation, nothing more.

edit: I see Fuchs66 beat me to it

I think you'll find Teejay was refering to the current accusations (as too did your initial post) and not to a decision made in the past (that does have relevance on the current accusation if it is proven)

 

[TeeJay]

When Hezbollah site their bunkers and command centres in the suburbs of Beirut and the villages of Southern Lebanon they are deliberately and systematically using human shields as a matter of policy. It isn't just isolated rogue soldiers doing it - they plan it carefully and do it consistently.

moono - I'd like to see you condemn this, or maybe you think it is an acceptable tactic?

 

[moono]

I haven't thought about it. Where do the IOF site their bunkers and command centres ?
I known that Churchill's was under Horseguards Parade, and I know that Hitler's was under Berlin somewhere. George Bush's is in the center of Washington and Tony Blair's is under Downing Street. Where's Olmert's ?

 

[moono]

Regarding recent events they only have an accusation and an investigation, nothing more.

Yeah ? Well, the IOF have got form;

According to the Israeli human rights group, B'tselem, six civilians including two minors were subjected to the illegal tactic during an incursion into the town of Beit Hanoun last week.


The practice, dubbed the "neighbor procedure" by the army, has been widely practiced in the West Bank throughout the five-year Palestinian uprising, including in an incident last month in Hebron.


Documented examples of the procedure range from sending Palestinians into houses to ensure they are not booby-trapped, to forcing Palestinian ambulances to drive in front of Israeli troops, to resting rifles on the shoulders of civilians to deter fire when ground forces carry out urban operations.


widespread reports - some from Israel Defense Forces personnel themselves -- recounting the use of human shields during a major West Bank incursion.


human rights groups continued to document numerous cases of the practice, at least one of which resulted in the death of a Palestinian used as a shield.

Lol. It just goes on and on. The IOF use Palestinians as human shields. But hey, what's that compared to shelling civilians having a beach picnic and UN observers doing their job ?
Peanuts, right ? Just a fuss over nothing. Lol.

Creeps.

 

[TeeJay]

I haven't thought about it.

As you have been going on about how using human shields is unacceptable you clearly have thought about it, haven't you?

Hizbollah use human shields by launching missiles from residential areas. How do you feel about this?

 

[moono]

You should really be studying guerrilla warfare by experts. Try some of these as primers;

Primary contributors to modern theories of guerrilla war include Mao Zedong, Abd el-Krim, T.E. Lawrence, Wendell Fertig, Regis Debray, Vo Nguyen Giap, Josip Broz Tito, Michael Collins, and Che Guevara. Later students of guerrilla warfare included Swiss Major Hans von Dach who wrote the now widely available Swiss Army field manual "Total Resistance".