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Zero hour work contracts can damage mental health - study

But can you be sanctioned for leaving a 0hr contract voluntarily?

(The idea of thousands of people who have jobs applying to piss them around definitely appeals.)

If you're claiming while working, then you can be sanctioned for leaving any job. That is, you are declaring your work while claiming.

If you are about to make a claim having quit, then it will impact your claim.

I think the issue is that you have a job and are seen to have been a quitter. Once you're in work,then you can't be seen to quit, no matter how crap the conditions.
 
But can you be sanctioned for leaving a 0hr contract voluntarily?

(The idea of thousands of people who have jobs applying to piss them around definitely appeals.)


if thousands of people are going to do anything together then walking in and occupying the places picketing them,boycotting ghtem, bringing them to a halt by whatever means would be a lot better. Sabotaging them with no shows in the middle of an all out campaign against them certainly wouldnt hurt. But on its own a wasted effort.
They need turned into a toxic brand, like pedos or something. People have to be killing themselves over this victorian shit .
 
He's a former commodity broker. He's just telling cynical lies again.

I dunno you may well be correct but even on the right many people know this shit just isnt on, they may all be assholes but they arent all monsters. Thats what Im on about with toxic branding.
People from left and right will both boycott companies and products over animal cruelty . This is about real and serious human cruelty . Dark ages stuff . And its becoming the norm . That even scares right wingers because they know it could happen to them and theirs too if it continues . If someone on the right is saying its not on and campaigning against it that should be seen as a bonus I reckon. It needs to become a moral issue, not just a political and economic one.
 
I might apply for a zero hour job just to have the satisfaction of letting them down on the first week due to the hours not being flexible enough. In fact we all should. Everyone.

I got a bunch of mates to apply to the agency that fucked Mrs Frank around. None of us showed up for any shifts of course, but we got endless phone calls from them asking us to do stuff. I like to think that their hideous people management skills had left them with no staff and they were counting on us lot to keep them going, but somehow I doubt it :(
 
if thousands of people are going to do anything together then walking in and occupying the places picketing them,boycotting ghtem, bringing them to a halt by whatever means would be a lot better. Sabotaging them with no shows in the middle of an all out campaign against them certainly wouldnt hurt. But on its own a wasted effort.
They need turned into a toxic brand, like pedos or something. People have to be killing themselves over this victorian shit .

I think looting sends a better message than merely occupying, although I understand there are legal implications.
 
I don't think that's going to trouble the consciences of our politicians.

I wouldn't expect it to, frankly. Those cold fish are only ever troubled by things that direct affect them, not us.

We've seen the completely cold response of the DWP to the suggestion that suicide rates amongst benefits claimants are high and rising - they have delivered minimalistic training to staff on how to deal with suicide threats on DWP premises, but have steadfastly refused to acknowledge any evidence to indicate that their reforms are responsible for suicides.

That's bureaucratic politics, rather than pure cuntishness. They will avoid acknowledging the welfare reforms as a cause beceause to do so would open the door to litigation. I've no doubt there's a circular memo of some sort that was sent around the various outposts of Dunked-in Shit's empire to that effect.

You only have to look at the way they're dealing with this latest Trussell Trust report about the usage of food banks to see how they'll manage it - first they'll rubbish the source, and attempt to suggest that they have some vested interest in reporting a higher incidence of suicide; then they'll dispute the figures anyway, then they'll attempt to suggest that it's some kind of self-serving strategy by the workshy oiks to get out of doing a Decent Day's Work.

Of course they will, it's standard tactics in politics - take credit for anything good, and blame anyone and everyone else for anything bad.

I think - I hope - they are only postponing the inevitable, and that the huge social consequences of their actions are simply being kicked down the road, but will eventually accumulate to the point where they can no longer be ignored, even by Cameron and his ilk. But how many will have died needlessly by then, or had the quality of their lives permanently impaired?

It's impossible to estimate, but we know there are currently about 700,000 more young people, for example, in worse straits than they were prior to 2010, due solely to politically-justified (as opposed to economically) cuts to programmes that had at least some chance of helping those young people.
And they're just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

How many children are growing up in misery, watching the agonies of their parents as they struggle to provide for them, or - maybe worse - watching them give up and join the growing number of people who simply can't cope with the pressures of survival in such a world, and succumb to mental illness, substance abuse, or worse?

As happened back before "recreational" drugs became near-ubiquitous, I reckon we'll see an explosion (even compared to the current problem) of problem drinking, apart from anything else.

I wonder what kind of whirlwind we shall reap in a generation from what we are sowing today? There's already quite a lot of evidence to suggest that the "bump" in psychological dysfunction, and substance abuse amongst fortysomethings in certain groups today is a product of the "lost generation" caused by Thatcher's depredations - but what is being done today is even worse, and far more widespread: in 30 years' time from now, we could be seeing an pandemic of fucked-upness, as the kids of today hit their adult stride.

Forty-somethings and people in their early fifties now, saw the biggest percentage of heroin users in the population ever, during the '80s, and a massive explosion of substance experimentation in the late '80s. And yep, it was directly and indirectly the fault of Thatcher and Thatcherism, although I can't really extrapolate what that's opened the door on, except perhaps a more open view on substance use by parents and young people that may or may not help fuel existential crises for a section of those affected. :(
 
Just for info - If you are a JSA claimant you cannot be sanctioned for refusing the offer of employment if that offer of employment is a zero hours contract.

trouble is though a lot of people mightnt know that, most likely dont, and all some dirtbird with a quota to fill has to do is strongly suggest some poor soul takes it and many will out of fear and ignorance.
 
It's pertinent to remember that in say the U.S, many at the end of their tether/end of the line for many reason, crime, drugs, violence, etc end up in the privatised prisons, America's Gulags, this is starting to happen here and will get worse as privatisation of the justice system expands.

While it seems the next logical step, private incarceration corporations have advantages in the US that they don't have here, the primary one being the ease with with new prisons can be built, due to favourable zoning laws and enough open space to not have to worry over-much about NIMBYism. There's also the small issue of the US public sector being fractured into state and federal authorities, with no unified trade union movement encompassing all workers in penal establishments.
Over here, there's fuck-all space to build new nicks, and the unions that cover penal workers are fairly robust, and manage to get along with each other.
 
One of the consequences of direct payments for disabled people to purchase their care(which in many cases has been liberating, for the disabled person, anyway), is a legion of often skilled care staff paid by the hour, maybe not on ZHC, but certainly on irregular and short notice shifts.

C'mon, we've both been involved in disability rights politics long enough to know that direct payments legislation was rigged in such a way that care purchase was almost inevitably (unless you were a disabled person prepared to do all the paperwork of being an employer) going to be mediated through private sector agencies (usually run by former social work management who were/are cashing in), and that such agencies would manipulate hiring and firing policies to their own advantage.
This one was seen coming from miles away, but because it was lowly care-workers having a pineapple stuffed up their arses, few people (with the honourable exception of a couple of members of the commentariat such as Toynbee) gave a fuck, until they got sucked into the same insecure employment culture.
 
the problem is that too many people will still see a precarious existence on either shitty or illegal terms and conditions as better than benefits. that's what the scrounger rhetoric is supposed to do, make people so scared of loosing work that they put up with this shit because they know how they will get treated if they don't.

This won't work forever though. Many people have already figured out that they're more likely to make ends meet on the dole than with a zero-hour contract. Instead of 'carrot-and-stick' they've gone for the 'two different kinds of stick' approach, which cannot continue forever.
 
Zero hours contracts are fucking evil; how can you live like that? You hear politico shitfucks banging on about how people like them as it allows them to manage their flexible lives, does it fuck. If you have a zero hour contract you can't get a mortgage or any other type of credit, Wonga excepted, good old Wonga. You can't plan a holiday, or anything, they mean you just about exist, then have no hours and stress like crazy, then a few hours and can feed your kids.

I sometimes wished that god and all that bollocks was real, cos it if was there'd be a special place in hell for all those colluding with this crap.

TBF, according to Dante, usurers do have their own special corner of Hell.
Just a pity they only get punished after death, isn't it? :(
 
That is their job. They've no interests in common with us. Therefore they are against us. Its simple, they have privileges and higher standard of education, our interests clash and they aren't going to play fair.

Which is why, more than 150 years after he died, Marx's theses about class antagonisms are still relevant as lenses through which to assess what's happening, and the solution of "class war" is still apposite.
 
C'mon, we've both been involved in disability rights politics long enough to know that direct payments legislation was rigged in such a way that care purchase was almost inevitably (unless you were a disabled person prepared to do all the paperwork of being an employer) going to be mediated through private sector agencies (usually run by former social work management who were/are cashing in), and that such agencies would manipulate hiring and firing policies to their own advantage.
This one was seen coming from miles away, but because it was lowly care-workers having a pineapple stuffed up their arses, few people (with the honourable exception of a couple of members of the commentariat such as Toynbee) gave a fuck, until they got sucked into the same insecure employment culture.


http://www.centreforwelfarereform.org/

The progenitor of the direct payments schemes was Dr Simon Duffy, he runs the Centre For Welfare Reform, his heart is in the right place, but although he believes in community based models and some of his 'fellows' linked to the centre are ace, ultimately it seems its free market solutions that develop.
 
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Is there a list of companies doing this kind of shit and currently recruiting available anywhere? And can anyone devise a phantom cv generator?
This would be something a small group of people could do on a large scale if they put their mind to it. You would need to generate email accounts too?
 
The contracts are typically cruel. I'm far from a bad case though, it's others that I see really suffering, i'm fit and strong enough to reach the targets so generally get 5 or 6 shifts a week, i'm guaranteed 7.5 hours (1 shift).

This thread isn't about me, I know. I posted the above, on Sunday, having not worked since the Friday. I have been 'rested' every day since and have no work tomorrow, at the most I can earn two shifts this week, £100, I won't know until 11.30ish on Thursday if i'm not working again. Just offering a 1st hand experience for those who don't know how it works. I can't post any specifics about my job as it is a sackable offence to post negative comments about my employers online (oh no, i'd have to leave!), just pm me if anyone wants more info.
 
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