Zeitgeist

[Yetman]

Has anyone seen this? Has three parts...

Starts off with questioning the origin of Christ, stating that from the Egyptian god Horus, to Krishna of Hinduism, to Attis of Phyrigia to Dyonisis of Greece and Mithra of Persia, and finally Jesus Christ, all shared astonishing similarities……being born on December 25th, of a Virgin birth, signified by a star in the east and being crucified only to resurrect 3 days later….

The film then goes on to list many other gods who shared the same or similar aspects, including 12 disciples, baptism at the age of 30, etc.

The reason for the similarities it states, is because these figures of worship are simply the sun – who on December 22nd reaches the most southern point of its descent, before remaining there for 3 days – under the crux (cross) constellation, and also has the three kings (another set of 3 stars) and the star of the east pointing directly at it – before the end of the winter solstice where it begins to move north again, on Dec 25th with the days beginning to get longer starting the cycle of life again.

Classic birth, death and rebirth symbology.

The 12 disciples are the 12 signs of the zodiac that the sun moves through each year. The crown of thorns are simply the suns rays…

It then explains the changing of the ages (we are currently in Pisces, we will be going into the Age of Aquarius in 2051)

The reality is, Jesus was the Solar Deity of the Gnostic Christian sect, and like all other Pagan gods, he was a mythical figure.

Christianity, along with all other theistic belief systems, is the fraud of the age. It served to detach the species from the natural world, and likewise, each other. It supports blind submission to authority. It reduces human responsibility to the effect that "God" controls everything, and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of Divine Pursuit. And most importantly, it empowers those who know the truth but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish


And that’s just part one

Part two goes into exploring the 911 conspiracy and the reasons behind it (and why they cant find Bin Laden)

Part three goes into the history of banking, and the stronghold corporations such as the Rockefellers and Rothschilds have on the governments of the world. It also goes into the long term aims of these corporations and the aim to create a one world government….


I always wondered why conspiracy theory OP’s were so long But although this is conspiraloonery at its best, it does a great job of explaining the theories clearly and I must say, does provide some answers to questions governments seem to have trouble answering….

Make of it what you will but I seriously recommend watching it, for entertainment value if not anything else

Website (including mpeg) here: http://zeitgeistmovie.com
Torrent available here: http://zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm

 

[camouflage]

I saw this, I thought the bit about religion was interesting but some of the arguments were abit weak (like M for Moira and Mary, come on...) Certainly would spin christians out if most of that were true, but because I think of religion as man-made authoritarian sillyness anyway, made no real difference to my overall point of view about religion. But certainly solidified my opinion of Christianity and Christmas etc.

The bit about 9/11 made me want to just dismiss it all as the same old Conspiraloonacy we've come to know and- er... take the piss out of, but once you listen to the arguments put forth, yeah, it is all too plausable. Wouldn't be the first time that the US has encouraged or falsifyed an attack on itself in order to get a free hand to wage war. But frankly even if the CIA or something was behind 9/11 so fucking what, the US was blatantly behind the 'first' 9/11 in Chile, the death of over a million Guatamalan Indians for the benefit of the United Fruit Company, El Slavadore, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the list is long but in some cases they actually filmed the planes of that Lindburgian organisation called the US Airforce dropping the millions of tonnes of hi explosives and napalm on villages, there was no false-flag style cover up in those situations, why should we give more of a fuck if they've killed 3000 Westerners than when they kill millions of South East Asians or South Americans or Middle Easterners blatantly and out in the open for all to see? In fact the whole 9/11 conspiracy movement verges on the fucking insulting in that light, in my opinion.

The banking bit was interesting, added to stuff I found out about in another documentary (the three hour long marathon- The Money Masters, I worked graveyard shifts back then ) which was even more informative and the guy, although nasal and geeky lookin, was alot less of a Twoofy. The Money Masters made me want to ask people who knew about finance lots of questions about it but nobody wants to talk about Where Money comes From because if you do it means you're anti semetic conspiraloon or something so we're not supposed to talk about banking conspiracies. Shame though, I really would like someone who knows about the subject of finance to knock the banking conspiracy theory down for me.

At one point they showed footage of the Madrid Train Bombing, but led the viewer to beleive it was footage of the London Bombing of 7/7, bad editing perhaps but reveals a certain sloppyness in presenting facts.

In sum, a very interesting doc, if abit conspiraloony and flaky in parts. And I don't think the documentary did itself any favours by looking more like a graphics for a squat party in parts, and all that hippy stuff and just everybody choose love maaaan stuff would make it easy to dismiss as "long-hair" starry-eyed hippy bollocks by some.

 

[Yetman]

Yeah the M being Virgo = M is Mary, Maya, etc is a bit OTT and sounds a bit too much like number theory conspiraloonery at its worst. They could have left out shaky stuff like that to provide a much fuller, believeable documentary.

Still though, it brings up stuff about the US’s history in WW1, WW2 and Vietnam which I’d have never had known otherwise, and there’s far too many people in high standing positions giving evidence on 9/11 which contradicts the governments story for it ALL to be bullshit.

Its got a good message though – turn off your televisions and wake the fuck up

 

[goldenecitrone]

The reality is, Jesus was the Solar Deity of the Gnostic Christian sect, and like all other Pagan gods, he was a mythical figure.

Interesting. I've always assumed he was a historical figure. I know a lot of people don't believe he existed at all. Will watch it if I get the chance.

 

[lontok2005]

My understanding is that is generally accepted that Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure. There's little actual evidence that he existed outside of the gospels, but there's also little reason to disbelieve that some upstart Galilean Jew went around preaching a religion of fairness, equality and love, frightening the local Roman authorities into crucifying him (a common means of execution at the time) in order to make an example of him and to quell any possible revolt. It's not hard to believe that he was an incredibly charismatic individual with a gift for rhetoric, who painted a picture of a better, fairer world for the downtrodden locals, and that his execution made a martyr of him, around whom the legends and myths of Christianity arose.

It's also my understanding that celebrating Christmas on December 25th is just a tradition, and nothing to do with the actual date of his birth (which can't be known anyway) and that the date was chosen to coincide with earlier pagan festivals, such as the midwinter festival.

I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in god. But I do believe that more than likely Jesus existed.

 

[Yetman]

Do you believe that Krishna, Mohammed or Horus existed?

 

[lontok2005]

I don't really know much about them. I also thought Mohammed was an historical figure like Jesus, around whom a religion had grown up, but don't know for sure.

I don't find it hard to believe that in less enlightened times, when most people were uneducated and little was understood about how the world worked, and yet everyone was craving leadership and answers just as much as they are today, then certain charismatic, exceptional individuals who purveyed a certain explanation of the world may have attracted a following that became a cult that led to a religion.

Even in modern times, we make mythical figures out of real people, for better or worse. Nazism grew up very much around Hitler, who, wicked though he undoubtedly was, was an incredibly powerful orator. Think of the reverance people showed to the last Pope as he lay dying. He's a saint now, if I'm not mistaken. Think of the 'cult' that has grown up around the memory of Princess Diana. Think of the Aum Shinrikyo cult that did the sarin gas attacks on the Tokyo subway - that was all based around one individual, Shoko Asahara. Even some presidents are treated with near god-like status.

 

[camouflage]

Yeah the M being Virgo = M is Mary, Maya, etc is a bit OTT and sounds a bit too much like number theory conspiraloonery at its worst. They could have left out shaky stuff like that to provide a much fuller, believeable documentary.

Still though, it brings up stuff about the US’s history in WW1, WW2 and Vietnam which I’d have never had known otherwise, and there’s far too many people in high standing positions giving evidence on 9/11 which contradicts the governments story for it ALL to be bullshit.

Its got a good message though – turn off your televisions and wake the fuck up

I found it kind of ammusing that the angry ranting guy was in the film (the brilliant Network) later co-opted to support the self same shady forces that both he and this documentary were so thuroughly against.

 

[camouflage]

My understanding is that is generally accepted that Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure. There's little actual evidence that he existed outside of the gospels, but there's also little reason to disbelieve that some upstart Galilean Jew went around preaching a religion of fairness, equality and love, frightening the local Roman authorities into crucifying him (a common means of execution at the time) in order to make an example of him and to quell any possible revolt. It's not hard to believe that he was an incredibly charismatic individual with a gift for rhetoric, who painted a picture of a better, fairer world for the downtrodden locals, and that his execution made a martyr of him, around whom the legends and myths of Christianity arose.

It's also my understanding that celebrating Christmas on December 25th is just a tradition, and nothing to do with the actual date of his birth (which can't be known anyway) and that the date was chosen to coincide with earlier pagan festivals, such as the midwinter festival.

I agree, and suspect Jesus was just the first Libertarian Socialist or something.... if he did indeed exist. On the other hand if all those christ-like mythologies of older religions than christianity are true (and hell, if the Egyptions spelt out a christlike story for one of their gods hundreds of years earlier) then that too also sounds plausable. But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. Water under. Not important.

 

[camouflage]

Do you believe that Krishna, Mohammed or Horus existed?

Krishna is not a god.

Well, buddisms also not supposed to be something to pray at so... so much for all that.

 

[Yetman]

I found it kind of ammusing that the angry ranting guy was in the film (the brilliant Network) later co-opted to support the self same shady forces that both he and this documentary were so thuroughly against.

Eh? Whats Network? What guy? Tell me more!

And Krishna was a god wasnt he? The boy god - I'm sure he's worshipped by millions of Hindus?!

 

[camouflage]

Eh? Whats Network? What guy? Tell me more!

And Krishna was a god wasnt he? The boy god - I'm sure he's worshipped by millions of Hindus?!

I don't think they make films like Network anymore, but it's an absolutely brilliant film, one of my favourites.

And thread here in answer to the other thing.