He's a Lib Dem. What do you expect?Justin said:
Shouldn't bob and fanta be campaigning for all gay bars and clubs to be closed down as these are obviously discriminatory against them by their logic?
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Shouldn't bob and fanta be campaigning for all gay bars and clubs to be closed down as these are obviously discriminatory against them by their logic?
Most fatuous post of the year. Honestly!Bob said:
No place or service; be it a bar, restaurant, B&B, shop, train, bus, school, hospital or whatever, should discriminate against or refuse to serve people because of their race, gender, religion or sexual orientation.
That is where I stand.
That certain posters are frothing at the mouth in their anger at this says much more about them than it does about me.
That is where I stand.
That certain posters are frothing at the mouth in their anger at this says much more about them than it does about me.
You're projecting your own froth on to other people there. You're the one who is screaming blue murder about gay people being able to take a bloody break from the patronising and ignorant opinions of well-meaning (or ill-meaning) heterosexuals.fanta said:No place or service; be it a bar, restaurant, B&B, shop, train, bus, school, hospital or whatever, should discriminate against or refuse to serve people because of their race, gender, religion or sexual orientation.
That is where I stand.
That certain posters are frothing at the mouth in their anger at this says much more about them than it does about me.
fanta said:No place or service; be it a bar, restaurant, B&B, shop, train, bus, school, hospital or whatever, should discriminate against or refuse to serve people because of their race, gender, religion or sexual orientation.
That is where I stand.
That certain posters are frothing at the mouth in their anger at this says much more about them than it does about me.
I see no problem at all in some entertainment venues, for example, only allowing gay people to use them. Watching straight men dance, frankly, puts me off my beer.
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No it doesn't. It's the way you simply repeat the same thing without trying to answer the objections to it that causes the frothing.fanta said:
You're not alone on that one.Mr BC said:
IntoStella said:
I know you mean something here, passionately, but Christ knows what!
You're talking about yourself surely when it comes to patronising suppositions about staright people knowing what gay people want.
In your desperation to be an apologist for segregation you start chucking the accusation of being homophobic in my direction.
Try an get it together, huh!?
Let us have some coherence, perhaps?
<Points at fanta and laughs>
Fanta fighting for Mr BC's right to watch straight men dance
Stella! You beat me to it!
Eh? I'm on your side!fanta said:
What a surreal argument this is becoming. First an apology for being wrong - apparently there is some sort of legal loophole that allows you to discriminate on grounds of sexual orientation - but the government is likely to close this in the near future.
http://www.stonewall.org.uk/stonewall/news/single_equality.html
Secondly I consulted a friend of mine who works for Stonewall and he tells me that he's not heard of any gay rights organisation that wants gay only facilities... to quote him 'it's not positive discrimination, it's just discrimination.'
http://www.stonewall.org.uk/stonewall/news/single_equality.html
Secondly I consulted a friend of mine who works for Stonewall and he tells me that he's not heard of any gay rights organisation that wants gay only facilities... to quote him 'it's not positive discrimination, it's just discrimination.'
Well if you are so open minded then just tell them you are gay. I doubt they are going to do any kind of test. I suppose you might have to make some kind of excuse about any partner of the "wrong" gender you bring to your room - but I am sure you can think of something; they are your "best friend" or something maybe?fanta said:
This is completely different from the issue for "black" people - that is something they can't hide or "opt into" or "opt out of" by anything they say or agree to. Conversely, where you to book into a "gay only" hotel (if in fact such a place really exists outside of your imagination) you are not being judged on your sexuality or appearance, you are in effect saying you agree to behave in a certain way or buy into a certain atmosphere - in other words, if they ask you "are you gay?" what they mean by this and what you might mean by saying "yes" or "no" is very much a subjective thing, and relates to the whole reason the place exists, why the owners have set up a "safe space" or an "alternative cultural zone" and what is expected of guests etc.
The fact is that it is probably perfectly possible for someone to furfill all these criteria without actually ever having had sex with a member of the same gender or even desired to. On the other hand, the confrontational/ignorant/simplistic attitude you have displayed on this thread pretty much illustrates exactly the kind of person they don't want as a guest.
I think it is completely legal for owners to refuse to house people who act like fuckwits or who behave in otherwise inappropriate manner. You would probably be barred on these grounds - ie your mentality and behaviour - not on anything top do with your sexuality.
It's ridiculous to allege segregation, as has been done above.
Segregation implies systematic. widespread separation (particularly when backed by legislation), and is normally used only in the context of race. Its (COD) dictionary definition is:
'enforced separation of racial groups in a community etc'
What's being discussed here is discrimination.
It would be illegal to have a b and b that discriminated in favour of a particular sex, or of a particular race, because that legislation is framed in a way that operates in both directions. But there's no such specific legislation about sexual identity. (And the disability discrimination legislation is quite clear that it is okay to discriminate in favour of disabled people.)
I don't see anything wrong in creating a facility that is welcoming to a group of people who may well be made to feel unwelcome. And if it's being run by a couple of gay guys (as I guess it is), then why the hell should they have to put up with people who treat them like shit?
I might be a bit more sympathetic if the people who are making such a big deal about this had wanted to stay there and been refused. But it's not like that. It's the same old thing that when people who are excluded start to take back a tiny bit for themselves, the people who've excluded them start to wail that they want a share of that little bit.
Good luck to them. If my mother wants to come to town, I'll check them out. (If they're willing to take her..)
Segregation implies systematic. widespread separation (particularly when backed by legislation), and is normally used only in the context of race. Its (COD) dictionary definition is:
'enforced separation of racial groups in a community etc'
What's being discussed here is discrimination.
It would be illegal to have a b and b that discriminated in favour of a particular sex, or of a particular race, because that legislation is framed in a way that operates in both directions. But there's no such specific legislation about sexual identity. (And the disability discrimination legislation is quite clear that it is okay to discriminate in favour of disabled people.)
I don't see anything wrong in creating a facility that is welcoming to a group of people who may well be made to feel unwelcome. And if it's being run by a couple of gay guys (as I guess it is), then why the hell should they have to put up with people who treat them like shit?
I might be a bit more sympathetic if the people who are making such a big deal about this had wanted to stay there and been refused. But it's not like that. It's the same old thing that when people who are excluded start to take back a tiny bit for themselves, the people who've excluded them start to wail that they want a share of that little bit.
Good luck to them. If my mother wants to come to town, I'll check them out. (If they're willing to take her..)
LOL! Very good.TeeJay said:
Word, as I believe the young folk say.ats said:
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Or try "amanuensis".TeeJay said:
