Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
IntoStella said:
Exactly
Youth Hostel in Brixton
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Exactly
I'm still grateful to Fanta for protecting us from evil Shirt Lifters and Rug Divers who wish to oppress good, decent, hard working heterosexual families with no political axe to grind.Justin said:
Thank you Fanta! You're a Hero of Democracy and True Friend of the Oppressed. Respect!
Fanta fighting for human rights
And here he is again.
OldSlapper said:I'm still grateful to Fanta for protecting us from evil Shirt Lifters and Rug Divers who wish to oppress good, decent, hard working heterosexual families with no political axe to grind.
Thank you Fanta! You're a Hero of Democracy and True Friend of the Oppressed. Respect!
Fanta fighting for human rights
Hahahahahaha!
Hilarious!
Because I think that segregation is a load of bollocks you make a joke about me being homophobic!
Hahahahaha.
You're a comedy genius!
Ol Nick
beer in Brixton
http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=750692004fanta said:
Just helpin' out. I'm with fanta on this. A gay-only B&B is a wankerish thing, but you can't give every wanker a ASBO, eh Mr.Blunkett?
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Why? It saves gay couple the hassle and unplesantness of having to explain that they're a couple, avoid stupid comments (and the danger of same) by the proprietor and fellow guests, and so on.Ol Nick said:
Gay people are given problems by society that straight people are not. Therefore it makes sense to make special provision for them. This does not threaten straight people in any way and to call it "wankerish" (or "segregation") is wilfully small-minded and thoughtless.
Justin said:
What you're describing though is a 'gay friendly' B&B rather than a 'gay only' B&B. I understand from my legal expert friend (who I've just consulted) that any business like this that discriminates against somebody on the basis of their identity is in fact illegal - for exactly the same reason that a heterosexuals only or whites only B&B would be illegal.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
I'm sure y'learned friend is right. My point though is that there is nothing ethically wrong with the concept, and everything ethically wrong with the criticisms that are being made of it.
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Bob said:
on the ball there bob...I've stayed in a gay friendly B&B in Houston, TX and it works very well. They're upfront about it being gay owned and run (all staff are gay from proprietor to cleaners) but take everyone. Just seems so pedantic and 80s PC to say gay only these days.
miss minnie
Well-Known Member
if the place in jo avenue is run by the chap i think it is then i've propped up the bar with him on quite a few occassions and anti-straight he certainly ain't!
haven't any experience of his establishment but apparently he has run it for a very long time. if it is him then i'd have no problem recommending it to my mother as i'm sure she'd have a fab time! probably more fun than staying with me, anyway.
haven't any experience of his establishment but apparently he has run it for a very long time. if it is him then i'd have no problem recommending it to my mother as i'm sure she'd have a fab time! probably more fun than staying with me, anyway.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Just for the record, I don't know whether the B&B actually says or advertises it as gay only. I just saw it mentioned it on an internet search whilst looking for the address
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
miss minnie said:if the place in jo avenue is run by the chap i think it is then i've propped up the bar with him on quite a few occassions and anti-straight he certainly ain't!
haven't any experience of his establishment but apparently he has run it for a very long time. if it is him then i'd have no problem recommending it to my mother as i'm sure she'd have a fab time! probably more fun than staying with me, anyway.
yeah that was what i was hoping
can't find a number for the place as the one posted here doesn't work
might wander round and knock on the door
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
If black people were to have problems obtaining accommodation with which they were comfortable then there might well be a case for it. Note that there is an enormous difference between making extra provision and making separate provision, a difference you are choosing to ignore.fanta said:
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Bob said:Tee hee. So we may be arguing about a non existence sexuality ban!
Exactly
But it gives this lot something to argue about doesn't it. I swear people on U75 are only happy if they're arguing Justin said:
Fine you agree with black-only B&B.
As for that difference you talk about - I am not ignoring any difference.
I can see and acknowledge the difference.
Here it is:
I can see that a Gay-friendly B&B (which I support) that received straight customers too is an example of extra provision.
I can see that a Gay-only B&B (which you support) that receives only gay people and does not serve straight people is an example of segregation.
Good to know where we both stand on this issue, huh?
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
twisted said:
Does this number not work?
020 8674 1880
Every site I look at lists the above number. It's won "Best Gay Hotel" twice apparently. Not cheap though, saw one site that said £59 and that was the CHEAPER price
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
No it isn't. Gay people being barred from straight B&Bs would be segregation. Straight people being barred from gay B&Bs, while formally similar, would in reality have nothing to do with the social system known as segregation.fanta said:
Unless you're really under the impression that straight people would suffer as a result, in a manner that can legitmately be compared to the Jim Crow states. Which would be ludicrous.
However, I would invite you, if you're so concerned, to parade up and down Josephine Avenue with a placard denouncing this outrage. Who knows, in the future it may come to be mentioned in the same breath as the Selma to Montgomery march. Everybody will claim to have been there on that fateful day.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
fanta said:I have no idea what you're talking about or referring to...
It was your fault anyway, you started it
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Minnie_the_Minx said:Does this number not work?
020 8674 1880
Every site I look at lists the above number. It's won "Best Gay Hotel" twice apparently. Not cheap though, saw one site that said £59 and that was the CHEAPER price
no it doesn't work and £59 ain;t bad if its clean etc
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
twisted said:
It's obviously a long time since I spent a night in a B&B in this country then
The last time I stayed in a B&B was in Gretna Green and it cost £35 per night.
What a shithole that was (Gretna Green, not the B&B)
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
£35 would still be unnecessarily steep in most places to be honest. I stay in a lot of B&Bs around the country and £30 is normally as much as I spend.
And yet, of course, it happens all the time. But then any attempt to redress that imbalance would be evil and bigoted because it would discriminate against poor old fanta and we can't have that. Sections of society that routinely face abuse and discrimination should jolly well take it on the chin, the moaning minnies.Justin said:
IntoStella said:
Who exactly has been defending anti gay discrimination here?
Your argument appears to be that if one group in society has discrimination practised against it then this justifies that group also practicising discrimination as well. 'An eye for an eye and the whole world is blind'.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Christ Bob, is that really the best you can do in trying to understand arguments for positive discrimination and special provision? Mind you, it's always like that, the same "but it's discrimination!" without any effort even to engage with the argument.
