Your favourite affordable sports car
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GarfieldLeChat
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they are great cars but they are lancias underneith that and that means as much time in the shop as on the road ... rust, eatting through brakes like they go out of fashion, and incredable tire wear when your tracking goes out after driving over the wrong shaped leaf!!!Roadkill said:
none of which matters when you have an entire team of mechancs to look after the car from stage to stage however from major service to major service...
djbombscare
Plays with knives
beesonthewhatnow said:
This is for sale at £8750
The most fun you can have in a car with your clothes on, promise
Bow those type of thinsg are the bollox
If ya can then lay your hands on the tiger version with twin ZX-12 or Busa engine in em. I had a go in one at brutingthorpe and FUCK ME it rocked.
GarfieldLeChat
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djbombscare said:
personally i have always been taken with DAX cars rather than the other 7 rip offs, thoguh saying that every year i think i should get my lotus cortena 7 back on the road again... but then i think you live in london it'd be outside your gaff for precisely 5 mins before soem fucker stuck a knife in the roof or half inched it...
eta image of a dax
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
these day yeah, but around 12 years ago you'd have needed only about £2000 more for a running by needing restoration one... B's have only just this years started hitting silly money, after the 10 million pound B case that collasped the value of B's was almost entirely wiped out...Roadkill said:Sad, but true.
I can think of far better-made cars.
Unfortunately, you'd have to multiply the OP's budget by ten to afford one of these, wouldn't you?
alfas of the same vintage for example are regularlly swapping hands for £400,000 to £500,000 B's for example at the max atm are only £270,000 ...
if you were to go down that route then you'd need around £10,000 a year to make sure if it went tit's up you could repair it, but then on the other hand the old mans has had a water and oil leak and a loose cam shaft for about 6 years... and it's been raced in the uk, holland, russia, india, germany, and is doing the historic lemons this year...
(admitedly i have been putting off taking the engine out for 6 years cos it's a year to rebuild the bastard...)
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
what the 10 mill bentely case ...Roadkill said:What was that all about, then?
basically it involved a bloke called ed hubbard (bit of a one in classic car racing, freind of tom walkenshaw and worked at that level IYKWIM) sold a car claming it was old number 1 (the car from the famous crash at white farm courner at LeMans) where as any one who knew anything about bentely history would know that the chassis of old number 1 became old mother gun
the engine became another car and the axles another car again...
this car was claimed to be the orginal was merely the front axels (or engine i forget which) and the car was said to be worth around £300,000 as a rare example of a lemans bentley with tracable linge... so a bidding war started, between an investment bank and a group of japanese investors took the price from it's starting point to 1 million in the space of a week, from here on in it was simply a case of the fact that oneside wasn't going ot be beaten by the other and had little to do with the value of the car... in the end it was sold for 10 million to the japanese investors... to this point both sides although they had had offers to come view the car they were bidding for neither side did, one look at it would see that this was a saloon bodied non LeMans racer and not what you could feasibly call the car old number one (on a superfical level it was burgendy not green which should have been the clear dead give away even for the rank amature...) neiher side ever viewed the car...
the money was paid, the car chipped to japan...
when it arrived all hell broke loose, they attempted to recover the cash and started legal proceeding sayign they had brought a fraud, personally i also think that they regretted the sillyness of the bidding war, they even offered the car to their bidding rivals who upon seeing it said thanks but we'd think it was steep at the original asking price for that...
court case ensues and on the day of the start of the trail edd hubbard dissappears from view never to be seen or heard of ever again... along with the money, it's ruled that the car didn't have sufficent of the original car to be called the original, however a land mark ruling is made which said that as technically a car will wear out parts and these will be replaced during it's life time that an origianl car maybe consdier such if the engine and chassis are from the original car or if the chassis and front axel are from the original car or the axel and engine or all three, but that it could no longer be considered to have just one part from the original car and claim it to be the original one...
as a net result bentleys were consdiered to be a bad buy becuase there were issues at the time witht heir authenticity (of some cars... not all) and so this made them almost worthless scrap....
djbombscare
Plays with knives
GarfieldLeChat said:
Your gonna have to excuse my lack of specialist knwoledge here but aren't dax a rip off of the old caterham lotus seven ?
Anyway my excuse for a pic ot two
TWO GSXR 1000 lumps *drooooools*
I'm sorry but that just IS a penis extension
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
djbombscare said:Your gonna have to excuse my lack of specialist knwoledge here but aren't dax a rip off of the old caterham lotus seven ?
Anyway my excuse for a pic ot two
TWO GSXR 1000 lumps *drooooools*
I'm sorry but that just IS a penis extension
yeah but like westfields, caterhams (not the original 7s by anyway anymore ...) dax, dutton, and a whole heap of other's they are all 7 ripp offs as i stated in my post, they are all attacking the same problem in different ways and developing the machines (think of it like a fork in an open source project) ...
thing is that even now there's fuck all on the market which will touch this design in terms of handling, acceleration, and sheer enjoyment to drive... not a ferrari, or porsche or anything they are perfect in all conditions and really do drive like you are wearing the car as a second skin... but they have no roof no boot and no storage space are totally impractical etc etc etc...
i dunno i bought my 7 cos it was cheap... then my dada stacked it then next day into a dtich and a car who was following him followed him in and fucked the backend up ... never even goto drive it, it's been sitting in a friends garage for the last 15 years... with a load of boxes on top of it, it's been rebuilt just needs a nose cone and it'd be road worthy again...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
like you'd have the time to spanners that every 50 miles....loud 1 said:
GarfieldLeChat said:
I think I remember seeing news reports about the original ruling that the car was genuine. IIRC the car looked feck all like an ex-team car - though I suppose with a heavily rebuilt vehicle that proves nothing.
Forgive my sketchy knowlede of Bentley history, but Old mother Gun was the 1928 Le Mans-winning 4 1/2-litre car, wasn't it? If so, I've seen that. It was in a small motor museum in East Yorkshire for a while. But obviously, if Old Mother Gun has the chassis from old No. 1, then Old No. 1 can't meaningfully be said to exist any more, can it?
This is an issue common to most ex-competition cars, isn't it, although with the value and reputation of vintage Bentleys I suppose it's more serious! With rally cars, for exmaple, there are a whole load of Mk1 and 2 Escorts out there bearing the registration numbers of ex-team cars, but which contain little, if any, of the originals.
Anyway, that's by the by. I'd no idea the whole 'Old Number 1' case ended that way, and no idea that it had such severe repercussions for other vintage Bentley owners - especially those whose cars didn't claim to be ex-works.
What are values doing now then? Have they recovered much - or should I be on my way to Stanley Mann's for a quick look whilst the going's good?!
robotsimon
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Ok so it's a hot hatch rather than a sports car but I would love a mint unmodified one of these:
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Your best bet for a sports car under £8k that's going to be reliable and fun to drive (if a bit dull) is an MX-5.
Personally, I like to have a back seat so I skip the whole proper sports car restriction and go for some class. Late 80s Bimmer 6-series would be my choice. Power to the proper wheels, too. Hot hatches are fun and all, but you can afford something with RWD.
Personally, I like to have a back seat so I skip the whole proper sports car restriction and go for some class. Late 80s Bimmer 6-series would be my choice. Power to the proper wheels, too. Hot hatches are fun and all, but you can afford something with RWD.
djbombscare
Plays with knives
GarfieldLeChat said:
As alway Garf I knew youd put me right. My knwoledge of motors is limtied. NOW bikes differnet kettle of fish entirely. I always assumed that I liked the Sevens as they pretty much related to riding a bike. Wind in yer helmet and all that. Wicked wicked fun.
Well if that lottery win comes up. . .
Good to hear yoru cars nearly finsihed. Tell ya what you blast me round in that when its doneand I'll show ya what a 150 mph wheelie fells like
in traffic if you want a real buzz
dirtysanta
Original Casual
moose said:
Fucking word. I got 1990 G60. i love em.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
Roadkill said:
well quite although taking a filler cap and reconstructing an origianal isn't kosher either !!
Roadkill said:
apologise i mean old number one (too simliar names ...duh!) here's the case notes...
http://www.gomog.com/articles/no1judgement.html
Roadkill said:
OMG was the 4 1/2 LM winner yes and had it's chassis replaced due to it cracking and bending (the final lap of 28 was done for 42 miles iwth and empty raditor due to the top hose being pulled off also the bonnet encroached the drivers cockpit due to the bending!!) so the car was hacked and slashed...
ONO became an 8 liter and the 6 liter engine became the banarto hassan special as such the remaineder of the car was pretty much (bar a chassis replacement puka but san's engine and chassis it was a new car, different experts disagree with howmuch of the original was there... some as low as in real terms 5% (everything having been restored or replaced) some as high as 95% sayign that these replacements were consistant with the general team repalcemtns which would have been made...
anythign raced will not be original for long i mean how many F1 cars are the same race to race?? sure they have to use the same engine each time but are allowed to replace pistions seals gaskets yadda yadda...Roadkill said:
Roadkill said:
well the market end up depressed as a result for a longtime but it's picked up recently...
Roadkill said:What are values doing now then? Have they recovered much - or should I be on my way to Stanley Mann's for a quick look whilst the going's good?!
nah for a start if you know SM then you know never pay the book price
but they are increasing in price atm and you can expect that they will go up and not come down again... still it'll be taken soem going to catch up to alfa or ferrari status in terms of price...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
djbombscare said:As alway Garf I knew youd put me right. My knwoledge of motors is limtied. NOW bikes differnet kettle of fish entirely. I always assumed that I liked the Sevens as they pretty much related to riding a bike. Wind in yer helmet and all that. Wicked wicked fun.
Well if that lottery win comes up. . .
Good to hear yoru cars nearly finsihed. Tell ya what you blast me round in that when its doneand I'll show ya what a 150 mph wheelie fells like
in traffic if you want a real buzz
sounds like a deal
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
erm not as such no... i wouldn't have thought so he might have some models of yesteryear 3 liters for that priceRoadkill said:
or at least their boxes...
you coming to LeMans historic?
the V16 BRM will be there (having been given a go fingers crossed the week before...)
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
always like these they were aggressive looking but a pain int he back literally for passengers after anout 40 minutes of seat time...Roadkill said:Despite the power-suited image, I do like the old 6-series. Nice-looking cars, and the M635 version is seriously fast too.
The running costs on old BMWs are scary though, aren't they?
the 7 series looked brutal which came out at this time
Reg in slippers
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GarfieldLeChat said:
do i detect a note of sarcasm?
i've had, oh, 150 miles between faults easily
