Discussion in 'suburban75' started by Mation, Oct 18, 2013.
Missy is maintaining the annoying habit to sitting next to my laptop and staring at me with her mad eyes. If I dare touch the keyboard or mousepad I get punched; likewise if I try to stroke her.
I may have posited this hypothesis before but oh well: cats are weird.
9-10 weeks? We got them at '8' but have a feeling the person let them go when they were younger. They were eating solids, grooming and toileting ok so what's done is done
New bonkers cat- madam funny face- not only has bonkers paws, she also uses them like hands. She holds your hand where she wants it, taps you on the arm to get attention, and sits on her hind legs waving them in the air and meowing as if she is telling you a long and exciting anecdote.
Everything was going a bit too well with her and idiot cat- they ended up asleep in the same basket this afternoon. I think he decided it was too much too soon and wupped her ass- fluffed himself up to three times his normal size, hissing and spitting, and chased her upstairs. I intervened at the point where he had her on her back and was baring his teeth at her
Now they are asleep in the same room again.
Been a long day!!
I have a really horrible feeling Juliet cat has been declawed. I feel slightly sick.
Edit- it's illegal, but I've just had a really close look at her paws. She def does not have claws
poor thing and poor you too, would make me feel sick as well
((( Juliet )))
Nooooooooo. Cats only defence. ((Juliet))
are u going to take her to the vet for confirmation ad update us?
So, early morning visit to vets. She has not been declawed- she does have claws. She just seems to have them permanently retracted- even when you prick her paw pads she doesn't put them out. I was concerned when I saw her fight the idiot and bite but not use her claws. And I have never seen her claws used..... she appears to have some weird behavioural thing. Vet has never seen it before and is going to call some colleagues.
Apparently declawed cats tend to refuse to use litter trays because it hurts, won't jump on you because it hurts, etc she is just..... odd
Liked for not being declawed and finding out about it. Hopefully it's just a little oddity and not any sign of deep trauma.
Glad to read that she has not been de-clawed.
Maybe she is just a very cautious cat about using her claws? My aunt had a lovely Siamese cat that never put her claws out. She was a very gentle cat...gorgeous personality. She didn't go outside, in fact she never seemed to want to be outside. She loved her humans and just wanted food, lots of cuddles and company.
She's definitely odd.
And *tiny* compared to the beautiful idiot!
She's really lovely.
They both are
Manter I had a cat who never used her claws. Not quite as comprehensively as Juliet, because she would use them to get purchase on the bedspread when jumping onto the bed and such-like. But she was always velvet-paws with human contact. She had several sets of kittens and her kits were all so polite and well mannered, really lovely well brought up little things. The mama was just a very gentle soul. She’d lay her paw on the back of their neck to make them settle down, just using the weight of her authority and patience to get them to behave.
Maybe Juliet has watched and learned about hands from humans? You say she's quite “handy” with her paws, could it be that she’s just kinda fascinated by hands and uses her paws with that attitude?
Oh nonsense. I've owned declawed cats (no, I didn't maim them - just adopted them that way) and the worst I can say for them is they can be a bit bitey. Which you would expect, really. They were all indoor cats, so somewhat less traumatic for them. I can't imagine the level of cruelty required to declaw an outdoors cat. Though having had them get out on occasion, I can say that they climb trees perfectly well with only their back claws intact and manage to murder some of the local wildlife while they're at it.
This was all a fair time ago, as well. I think even in NA attitudes towards cosmetic (I know it's not really cosmetic, but I think it falls into the same area as docking) amputations have changed now.
I read some stuff about what it involved and it's utterly, utterly revolting. It's not like human nails- you amputate bone. Cats who have been declawed have a higher incidence of being abandoned because it messes so badly with their behaviour and causes so many problems. And it's illegal in the U.K.
You may have been lucky but there are pages and pages of reports a mere google away about what damage it does physically and behaviourally. Afraid I believe multiple veterinary societies, animal welfare societies and professional bodies. It's gross, and inexcusable
*phew* what a relief that Madam's soft hands are just how she is and not because of declawing. (Which is *fucking monstrous* btw and would have been so so alarming if the breeder woman, who's in charge of so many cats) had had it done.) Was also worrying about whether Madam cat could ever roam/play safely outdoors if she'd been declawed, never mind behavioural trouble. And worrying if her (hilarious-sounding) paw-patting and paw-waving behaviour was some kind of neurotic response routine/ptsd from being declawed.
But it's all natural so no need for all that angst and fear. And Madam's comic monologues are not actually concealed tragedy. I wonder if there are 'small claw' or 'no-poky claw' mutations in cats? Or if it's a mutation affecting the reflex or the tendons?
it would be like cutting your fingers off at the first joint. Cunts that value furniture over an animal like that should have their fucking fingers removed
First, let me state that I do not support declawing. Under any circumstances.
However, proper research (as opposed to what veterinarians and animal societies think) has not shown a strong link between declawing and problem behaviour in cats. The numbers don't back it up. At all. The RSPCA et.al. quite possibly intentionally overstate things because they view the practice as monstrous (a stance I take no issue with), and because some 20% of cats even today are still declawed in the United States. That's a huge decline from when it was about 1 in 3 30+ years ago, but still rather too much. I just take issue with them misrepresenting the facts.
Chronic pain is possible when considering any sort of surgery; but again in proper studies declawing doesn't have a particularly high rate of it. The fact that it does occur in what is essentially surgery for cosmetic reasons is unacceptable, but I again hate to see actual facts misrepresented.
Finally, in countries where declawing is still permitted, there is no link between the surgery and abandonment. Well there is - it makes them less likely to be so. But you could just as soon assign that to the fact that someone who's paid for an expensive procedure is unlikely to ditch the animal at the first sign of trouble, so I'm not going to assign any significance to that fact. What is true is that in countries where the procedure is effective banned (ie: here), it makes it far more difficult to get the animals adopted because of the perceived behavioural problems associated with it. Even though the incidence of behavioural problems in declawed cats is not out of line with intact animals.
TL;DR: Should still be banned, but I hate twisting facts to get us there.
(And yeah, I dug a lot of that up a couple of years ago to berate a family member in Canada for having it done to their cat. Idiot. Mostly I was proving that any idiot can train an animal to not scratch up the sofa, and if they can't they probably shouldn't own an animal)
She can never roam free outside because she's so incredibly daft
my speedy used to do that there. he didn't really know how to play (he came as a stray) so he'd reach up with both paws, grab my hand, pull it down, bite it a little, and then shrink as if expecting to be whacked. of course all he got from me was luvs [/halo].
Puss now named Milly.
o hai, milly.
is that an invitation for tummy rubs, or a hand trap?
Still not managed to stroke her yet. She's more interested in trying to engage the dog to play. Dog is non plus about the whole thing. She's about ten now and wants a quiet life I think.
The idiots who look after the feral colony from which she escaped on day one have suddenly developed a conscience. Spotted this the other night. Little do they know that Milly is now warm, fed and loved.
gorgeous fur baby
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