Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, May 16, 2018.
The venue licensee and London Burrough of Lambeth
I think you know what was meant in the post. You are being disingenuous or dim, you choose
that doesn't answer which terms are being breached and whether you'd raised it with the establishment in question. some breaches will be more egregious and obvious to near-by residents than others
which terms are being breached?
It was a hypothetical question, adding a single jigsaw piece to the overview of the situation
I have no knowledge of any residents complaints, communications with licensees or conditions for licences on any London venues.
I think it’s a reasonable question that anyone reviewing a situation such as the OP posted would ask to complete the picture, call it fact finding. Get all the information, Develop an informed decision/opinion
Just a thought.
Some gentrified wanker is complaining to the local council about venue A
Council reviews licence conditions to see if any are being broken, if none are being broken tell resident to poke it
If the council is squeezing longstanding venues and commercial rates are running venues out that’s a geographically specific big fat socio-economic can of worms i’m not getting dragged into
that's a pity, i thought you had a genuine beef
Evidence for what?
Think less read more
Venue has been here over 30 years. A venue doesn't survive 30 years unless they are fully compliant with the local council. They've always been very considerate to the neighbours and have their sound levels checked regularly. They're not putting on louder nights, so nothing has really changed apart from cunts moving in opposite into the newly built flats.
HOWEVER if some blow-in, self-entitled, selfish yuppie takes exception to the noise that the local community has been happy to live with for years - AND has the means to pursue it because they're loaded/well connected- there is a chance that fresh restrictions will be placed on the club, and that impacts on the livelihood of the owners and the community who use the club.
I live on Coldharbour Lane. There's been a fucking racket coming from several well known local venues/areas since the day I moved in, but I'd never complain because I moved into their community and I respect it.
Here's the kind of shit that happens: Brixton’s future? New Manchester resident tries to close down 20 year old club with noise complaint
And: Thinking of moving to vibrant Brixton but want a quiet life? Here. Read this. Thanks.
understand a little less and condemn a little more
And just to reiterate: move to a shiny new lifestyle flat and complain about the noise from long-existing bars and clubs: FUCK YOU
Move to a shiny new lifestyle flat and complain about hugely increased volume and freshly extended opening hours from existing bars and clubs: FAIR ENOUGH
For this of course
How did you hear about it?
I know the owners well, as well you know, so there is no need to post up 'hearsay.' I talk to them directly. Why on earth would you think otherwise?
Sadly this sort of thing has been going on for years across the country, people moving in near to clubs, pubs, churches, and sports clubs, and then complaining about the noise.
Our local Rugby Club has been told by the council that they may no longer grant permission for the music events they hold, and have done for many years, because of all the new homes being built around the grounds, and complaints about noise.
the change is not who moved in to the flats, it's that homes have been built where previously there weren't homes.
Do you remember the Ministry of Sound having exactly this problem, and coming to a deal with the developer so that the leases precluded complaints about noise. Did the club object to the planning application, or approach the developers?
There used to be a housing co-op/squats opposite the club for decades. Naturally no one complained because it was a community.
They were then flogged off as private flats and the lifestyle-seeking whiners moved in. They're now being joined by more unaffordable flats. I'm not even sure if you can cite wanting to protect the sound from a nearby club as a planning objection.
nor am I, but the whole point of the protracted MoS saga was to protect their club from the inevitable complaints.
???? I thought - but then I remembered when 306 Coldharbour Lane mounted a campaign, with petition (which I signed) about freight trains using the up-graded "Atlantic Lines" behind the houses on Coldharbour Lane.
British Rail (as it then was) did various vibration measurements, but it all came to nothing - probably because notwithstanding the major increase in rail freight (and Eurostars at that time) caused by the ChannelTunnel, as you say the houses were (mostly) built on railway land left over from when the tracks and viaducts has been completed around 1862.
I’m surprised they managed to find anyone at the council to complain to. Last time time I looked there were no longer any noise officers available at night and complaints had to be registered via email and would be considered by officers. Multiple complaints from different households needed to be submitted. How noise breaches are now recorded and proven I’m unsure (or do they no longer need to be)? Residents should be able to complain about excessive noise if it affects them, but existing venues equally need to be able to continue their businesses. If they haven’t changed their noise levels and are managing entering and exiting patrons in he same way tough titty to the new residents - that’s what you moved in next to.
^this. Up to a couple of years ago I lived next to what had been a proper boozer until it reinvented itself as a destination venue which would hold events in the garden well into the early hours of the morning. When I phoned the venue to ask them to turn it down the DJ would mock the neighbours over the PA, and whenever I complained to Lambeth I'd get a response along the lines of "our officers attended the venue at 10:00am on Monday and could hear no evidence of noise nuisance". Lambeth are bloody useless.
They did with the flats built opposite Brixton Academy's loading bay on Stockwell Park Road, as i understand it they were only given planning permission on the understanding that the gigs would be loud, but more importantly the loadouts would be even louder and could and would happen at any point of the night / early morning and no complaints would be heard about it.
Don't you think this role should be taken over by Brixton BID?
The BID could then issue reports to the complainants in the manner of "Up Yours Delors" - like the Press Complaints people do.
This is becoming a real headache issue for touring.
Venues manage to negotiate a 11pm/midnight live music curfew, but then pay no attention to the logistics of getting a show out the door. Cue huge rows between venue staff and crew as we load the truck(s) a couple of hours later, which as you say can be a very noisy process indeed.
"Oh but you can't do that, we're not allowed to make noise past this time"
"Fuck off, we're doing it anyway, this kit has to be on a stage 150 miles away in 5 hours time"
Surely a load out doesn't qualify in terms of noise curfews. FFS
They quite often create more direct noise into surrounding buildings than noise leaking from a venue - think lots of grumpy blokes shouting at each other, cases banging onto a metal trailer ramp etc
in one of my previous jobs i was required to respond to complaints about the noise of an Artillery Range. i was almost disappointed to have not been featured in the Daily Mail...
the best way to calm yourself over the rantings of a self-obsessed, spectacularly self-entitled fuckwit is to remember that eventually their sense of entitlement will cause them to do something so offensively stupid (for example, stopping to change a tyre in the outside lane of the M4 so they don't damage their alloys..), that they will be killed.
I had exactly the same with a venue which started to regularly blast the street with their doors wide open between 3-5am on a Wednesday morning. After about a year Lambeth agreed to investigate.
Two months later I chased them up and they said they had closed the file as two separate site visits had concluded that there was no nuisance. Eventually they admitted that the visits were on a Friday at 9 pm and a Saturday at 10 - despite the club advertising its nights beginning at 11 on those nights. When I queried how they had used these weekend visits to establish that there was no nuisance between 3-4am on a Wednesday they replied that they are highly experienced professionals and know what they are doing.
There is definitely something very fishy about that team.
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