You the scientist - will they find Higg's Boson?

[Refused as fuck]

 

[Ich bin ein Mod]

I think it'll be found, but there will be more questions raised than answers given.

 

[Refused as fuck]

I reckon Higgs will not be found due to blue screen of death. It will nevertheless be hailed a success.

 

[Refused as fuck]

Look at my Higg's field, I mean just fucking look at it. There's one over there and another's just rolled under the fridge.

 

[Jazzz]

Did they find it?

 

[SpookyFrank]

probably but it's always in the last place you look

Because when you've found something, you stop looking for it

 

[FridgeMagnet]

No. It broke, remember?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Even if they do find it the whole thing will still be a vast waste of money. If all that cash had been given to proper scientists instead of these silly physics twunts who only want to prove their own fucking sums right then we could have an HIV vaccine by now. Two in fact; an everyday vaccine and a formal evening vaccine. The whole thing smacks of a horde of Terry Pratchett-eqsue wizards standing around a great big magnifying glass trying to count the angels dancing on the head of a pin

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Even if they do find it the whole thing will still be a vast waste of money. If all that cash had been given to proper scientists instead of these silly physics twunts who only want to prove their own fucking sums right then we could have an HIV vaccine by now. Two in fact; an everyday vaccine and a formal evening vaccine. The whole thing smacks of a horde of Terry Pratchett-eqsue wizards standing around a great big magnifying glass trying to count the angels dancing on the head of a pin

Yeah, cos stupid esoteric things like Quantum Mechanics and the like are utterly pointless wastes of money and intellectual energy.

Now burn your computer and never touch another electronic item more complicated than an incandescent bulb again you luddite fool.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Now, to address your point more helpfully, the US alone spent 22.8 billion or so on HIV in 2007. Around 13% of that went to research. That comes out at a hair under 3 billion dollars. The LHC's total cost is in the region of 3.2 - 6.4 billion euros including running costs.

So while the LHC is a very large capital investment, you're talking about a couple of years of US spending, you think we'll have two vaccines in two years?

 

[WouldBe]

Now, to address your point more helpfully, the US alone spent 22.8 billion or so on HIV in 2007. Around 13% of that went to research. That comes out at a hair under 3 billion dollars. The LHC's total cost is in the region of 3.2 - 6.4 billion euros including running costs.

So while the LHC is a very large capital investment, you're talking about a couple of years of US spending, you think we'll have two vaccines in two years?

No.

It's a lot easier and cheaper to smash things than it is to mend them.

 

[Jonti]

Higgs territory continues to shrink

The CDF and DZero experiments at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory have excluded a significant fraction of the allowed Higgs mass range established by earlier measurements. But they have not yet caught a glimpse of the elusive particle.

Scientists knew from previous measurements that the Higgs boson must weigh between 114 and 185 GeV/c2–the units that scientists use to measure the mass of particles. The new Fermilab result carves out a section in the middle of this range: the Higgs boson cannot have a mass in between 160 and 170 GeV/c2–if it exists at all.

http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/breaking/2009/03/13/higgs-territory-continues-to-shrink/

Still not found, then

The Large Hadron Collider will cover the remaining gaps and show us evidence for the Higgs. Either that, or something unexpected will happen, and the Standard Model will need thoroughgoing revisions.

But after some mishaps, the LHC is not expected to produce data until sometime early next year.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Still not found, then

The Large Hadron Collider will cover the remaining gaps and show us evidence for the Higgs. Either that, or something unexpected will happen, and the Standard Model will need thoroughgoing revisions.

Doesn't everyone accept that the Standard Model needs thoroughgoing revisions anyway?

It's just that nobody knows what those revisions should be.

 

[isitme]

that was such a waste of time that collider wasn't it

remember how hyped up it was and then nothing happened ffs

 

[kyser_soze]

that was such a waste of time that collider wasn't it

remember how hyped up it was and then nothing happened ffs

There was a coolant leak about 3 weeks after they switched it on - it'll be up and running againg by about July this year. Shame really, cos it had all gone smoothly til then.

 

[bluestreak]

Yep, I reckon the SM is okay as far as it goes.

If the LHC doesn't find it then there's no point building another accelerator, it just plain isn't there.

How do you know. We might not have built the right kind of collider. Or a big enough one. Or one with enough flashing lights.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

How do you know. We might not have built the right kind of collider. Or a big enough one. Or one with enough flashing lights.

The point is that if it isn't found, that means that either the LHC isn't doing what they think it is doing or the Higg's boson doesn't exist in the form they think it does. Either way, it would mean that something is wrong with the Standard Model.

But given that the Standard Model does not account for gravity, everyone knows that there's something badly wrong with it anyway. I don't pretend to understand the SM fully, but there is something ugly and messy about it. Beauty and simplicity are generally a good guide to truth, and the SM fails on both counts.