Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
KeyboardJockey said:
How is that fighting for job cuts, though?
You know when your workplace is bad when......
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How is that fighting for job cuts, though?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Oh, come on - it's craven capitulation to them at the very least.Guineveretoo said:
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Guineveretoo said:
By rolling over for what ever shit management want to shove down our throats.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
poster342002 said:
It's certainly that, but it can't be said to be fighting for cuts.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Rolling over is not fighting. By definitionKeyboardJockey said:
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Oh, and we'd better head this ciiurcular one off at the pass before it's thrown at you again:KeyboardJockey said:
KeyboardJockey didn't join the last "strike" because, having joined the last one, he was sick and tired of being the only person in his workplace to do so while everyone else scabbed. Not the tactic I'd choose, myself, but I can well understand how he got to the "fuck the lot of you, then" stage.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
poster342002 said:
I really don't think we should go there!
I remember him saying that, but I know his workplace, and there were people on strike. Perhaps not in his little team, but there was certainly a picket line outside and people who took strike action.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Yeah - the union branch reps.Guineveretoo said:
His experience also matches EVERY strike I've ever been involved with, too.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Guineveretoo said:
There were people on strike in the same building but in terms of my organisation (approx 100 people there was at least 80%+ scabbing.
FYI the picket line was made up of people I'd never seen before.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
poster342002 said:
Well, you can't have been involved in many, then, eh?
Not sure why you are going down this route.
If you don't want to be a member of a trade union, then don't be a member of a trade union. But don't go bleating to their full time officials if you need some help and advice in the workplace and have chosen not to join.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
KeyboardJockey said:
As I have told you before, I have the numbers of union members in your workplace, and I have the numbers of those on strike.
And you are wrong.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
poster342002 said:
what a brilliant expression. i'm going to use that myself in the future.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Please do. Shame the spineless idiots as much as you can (if they have any shame, of course. Which I doubt).bluestreak said:
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
#Guineveretoo said:
No you are wrong. I saw what I saw and I saw hardly anyone on strike. Your figures may well be either wrong because of innocent miscounting or bent by someone other than yourself.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Or you may be assuming that more people are in the union than actually are!
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
It's not the officials I'm on about - it's more the membership. I want to be a member of the union and I want the other members to kick themselves into gear and stop being such grovellers to the employer. What I do want from the officialdom is to accept what's going on so we can start work on a solution.Guineveretoo said:
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Guineveretoo said:
In that case why is PCS doing such a piss poor job of selling themselves to the customers.
As regards the officers I had cause to make use of their services recently when I was being given a bit of unwarranted hassle and they were fab. Its a shame the rest of the union is so shit.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
PCS are seriously badly organised in that Department. I think I know why, but it certainly needs all the help it can get!
Besides which, there are two other unions recognised by the main Departments, who were not involved in the strike - some of the people who walked over the picket line were probably members of those two.
Besides which, there are two other unions recognised by the main Departments, who were not involved in the strike - some of the people who walked over the picket line were probably members of those two.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
poster342002 said:
Well, all you can do is work with what you have got, and it sounds like you are trying.
If the workers don't want to fight, there is nothing you can do, and a union would make a fool of itself if it tried to call a strike and all its members ignored the call!
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
It goes beyond "not wanting to fight" into outright, perverse support for attacks on their own working conditions, support for job cuts, support for draconian curbs on sickleave etc etc. Why? Because each person gets the roelof enforcing these things on the person below in the heiarchy. Even though they themselves also suffer in turn, it's more than compensated for in their minds by the sadistic extra thrill they get from inflicting it on the mug below them.Guineveretoo said:
What I hear from the members on response to every single attack on our rights, is "yes, but as a Line Manager, I think it's actually quite good that ... [insert fuckwitted defence of indefensible]"
Dovydaitis
Official fishco fish groupie
you know the workplace is bad when you are told that you have to tell your boss when you wish to go to the loo. 
yep, this has happened to me today! i have never been told to do something so demeaning. i am tempted to stand up infront of the whole office and annouce that i am going for a wee/poo. instead i sent an email to the team i work for, staing i was going for a wee. surely this is wrong?
yep, this has happened to me today! i have never been told to do something so demeaning. i am tempted to stand up infront of the whole office and annouce that i am going for a wee/poo. instead i sent an email to the team i work for, staing i was going for a wee. surely this is wrong?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Yes, it is wrong.Dovydaitis said:you know the workplace is bad when you are told that you have to tell your boss when you wish to go to the loo.
yep, this has happened to me today! i have never been told to do something so demeaning. i am tempted to stand up infront of the whole office and annouce that i am going for a wee/poo. instead i sent an email to the team i work for, staing i was going for a wee. surely this is wrong?
Dovydaitis
Official fishco fish groupie
poster342002 said:
pardon the pun, but i am now taking the piss by doing the green mile style "im going for a wee, im walking to the loo" type thing
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Your call up papers arrive, and going off to an idiotic illegal war seems like a good idea .And on arriving back makes you want to go back to war .Needless to say I dont work there anymore.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
well, I'm a trot (nearest definition, anyweay) I post in P&P AND I make my living in recruitment, and I don't think I've EVER had any illusions about how shit UK employers areposter342002 said:
