"You can go and work in Europe, Mandelson tells strikers"

[toblerone3]

If you had been an Italian and come to the UK to look for work. You would not have been eligible to apply for jobs on this contract through local (Lincolnshire) recruitment channels.

Italian contractors got on their bikes
Italian workers would have not benefitted from doing so.

 

[JHE]

Total has said that it has no intention of discriminating against British firms or British workers. Lord Mandelson has said that he hopes people will accept that reassurance and stop the strikes and protests. He says he thinks people were asking for a clarification, which has now been given.

So it's all OK really. It was all a terrible misunderstanding.

 

[butchersapron]

I can see a lot of politicians getting steam rollored very soon. The old game is over.

 

[toblerone3]

I can see a lot of politicians getting steam rollored very soon. The old game is over.

Politically these are exciting times. The depressing aspect of it is that the Tories seem even more likely to win the general election in the autumn.

 

[brasicritique]

Secret service secrets. Or, maybe i've based it on my experience, contacts and collatted knowledge therein.

so is dennsr the third member of charlies angels or is it dotcom

 

[badco]

Politically these are exciting times. The depressing aspect of it is that the Tories seem even more likely to win the general election in the autumn.

How are the BNP doing?

 

[butchersapron]

How are the BNP doing?

They're nowhere fuckface

 

[JHE]

Politically these are exciting times.

Are they? Other than a Tory victory in the next election, which I agree is likely, what political developments do you expect?

Economically, these are worrying and depressing times.

 

[toblerone3]

How are the BNP doing?

Had a look at Stormfront the other day there was a thread laughing at SWP and Urban75 about how they didn't know what line to take on the wildcat strikes.

 

[Fuchs66]

Yep, quite a few smug cunts supported Tebbit's get on your bike arguement from a position of comfort as well.

Is this your attempt to wind everyone up? sad

Yes I am in a position of relative comfort now, but its been achieved through hard work on my side ta very much. Not trying to wind anyone up and I am of the opinion that Mandelson (and Tebbit back then) over simplified things, but then again using worst case scenarios (living on boats and working in Poland) you're not exactly argueing from an informed position either.

 

[Fuchs66]

Irony?

A bit like coppery just different?

 

[toblerone3]

Are they? Other than a Tory victory in the next election, which I agree is likely, what political developments do you expect?

Economically, these are worrying and depressing times.

Well maybe not party political in the short term. What I meant was the likely ending of the neo-liberal consensus in mainstream politics (1988-2008) and hopefully something new and better eventually coming out of all of this.

 

[brasicritique]

Had a look at Stormfront the other day there was a thread laughing at SWP and Urban75 about how they didn't know what line to take on the wildcat strikes.

when you look around on these boards it is easy to see why those evil bastards are able to do so imo they probably have posters on here right now preteneding to be left wing and stiring shit up though saying that mayb ethey dont need to looking at th eway th elikes of fedayn carry on

 

[Fedayn]

when you look around on these boards it is easy to see why those evil bastards are able to do so imo they probably have posters on here right now preteneding to be left wing and stiring shit up though saying that mayb ethey dont need to looking at th eway th elikes of fedayn carry on

Dribble dribble....

 

[SpookyFrank]

A bit like coppery just different?

Taxi for the entertainment.

 

[badco]

imo they probably have posters on here right now preteneding to be left wing

Like an undercover opperation?

 

[scifisam]

It really is on your bike, isn't it? On your easyjet plane.

Yes I am in a position of relative comfort now, but its been achieved through hard work on my side ta very much. Not trying to wind anyone up and I am of the opinion that Mandelson (and Tebbit back then) over simplified things, but then again using worst case scenarios (living on boats and working in Poland) you're not exactly argueing from an informed position either.

They're using that worst-case scenario because that's the scenario such construction workers often end up in.

The boat bit, that is. I don't think working in Poland is a worst-case scenario any more than working in France is.

 

[butchersapron]

Like an undercover opperation?

Hee hee, no one knows!

Prick

 

[brasicritique]

Dribble dribble....

why dribble dribble can you explain why you used these words

 

[brasicritique]

Like an undercover opperation?

ask butchers did you not see his post ? the word you are looking for is infiltration

 

[derf]

Our Peter has NEVER been in the slightest concerned about the hate that hits him from impotent, marginalised people like you and me.

That's true. He's an arrogant bastard and a bent one at that. Not a reference to his homosexuality but the fact he's a corrupt cunt with ethics that wouldn't be fit to be used as bog roll by most other politicians. (That's saying something)
There is however a good side to bent mandy.
The first is he's good for a giggle. I just can't wait for his next fuck up. He's just can't help himself. The next is that he's helping my lot gain support when he does.
His suggestion for the strikers is another example of a cracker but the sad effect in this case is he is more likely to push people more towards the far right.

All in all he's a good friend to us Tories and I await his next major fuck up.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Well maybe not party political in the short term. What I meant was the likely ending of the neo-liberal consensus in mainstream politics (1988-2008) and hopefully something new and better eventually coming out of all of this.

I think the neo-liberal consensus was already turning into something else due to its internal contradictions. Neo-conservatism of the sort displayed by Bush and nuLabour seems like a reaction to the social chaos that neo-liberalism creates, a reaction which blames that chaos not on economic factors essential to this form of capitalism, but on the libertarian-sounding bits of neo-liberalism's PR and tries to be seen as 'doing something' by being socially authoritarian in response.

The problem is that what it's turning into is much more repressive and authoritarian. I'd expect Cameron's mob to follow the same trajectory. Use a bunch of libertarian rhetoric to get elected then switch heavily into authoritarian mode once they don't have to worry about popularity contests and try to convince the general public that having the cops stomping on politically active citizens' faces is actually the solution to all their problems.

Whether that'll work with the jobless total rising, inflation wiping out savings while the fat-cats are paying themselves huge bonuses is another question.

If it doesn't work, there's always the Civil Contingencies Act though and I expect that it's knowing that they can shoot people if they feel they really have to that lets Mandleson and his pals feel so smug about all this stuff.

 

[derf]

Yep, quite a few smug cunts supported Tebbit's get on your bike arguement from a position of comfort as well.

Is this your attempt to wind everyone up? sad

When things are hard you have to get moving if you want to improve yourself.
I've been in a situation where there was nothing for me and I did get off my arse and do something about it. It worked and was a fucking load better than hanging about on the dole waiting for someone to come to me.

Tebbit was right, just not popular.

 

[Fuchs66]

Tebbit was right, just not popular.

No Tebbit was a fucking idiot trying to offload the States responsibility onto the individual, but no more of an idiot than those who try to offload individual responsibility onto the State.

 

[badco]

ask butchers did you not see his post ? the word you are looking for is infiltration

It's sounds a tad far fetched to me,sorry

 

[scifisam]

When things are hard you have to get moving if you want to improve yourself.
I've been in a situation where there was nothing for me and I did get off my arse and do something about it. It worked and was a fucking load better than hanging about on the dole waiting for someone to come to me.

Tebbit was right, just not popular.

It wouldn't be as easy for you to move from where you are now though, would it? Not now you have a family. And it wouldn't be as easy for people who are barely able to pay their rent, let alone save up for a move abroad.

I could easily get work abroad. But moving abroad would be a different matter. I'd either have to leave my daughter here, or make her settle in a foreign country where she doesn't speak the language; my GF would find it very difficult to get work abroad, so we'd have to break up or have a long-distance relationship where we never see each other; I'd lose my housing association flat, and have to sell all my furniture and everything we own except the few things we could carry to the other country with us.

Yep. It'd be soooo easy to move.

 

[brasicritique]

It's sounds a tad far fetched to me,sorry

yeh it always is and never happens and never gets refeered to on this site

 

[toblerone3]

I think the neo-liberal consensus was already turning into something else due to its internal contradictions. Neo-conservatism of the sort displayed by Bush and nuLabour seems like a reaction to the social chaos that neo-liberalism creates, a reaction which blames that chaos not on economic factors essential to this form of capitalism, but on the libertarian-sounding bits of neo-liberalism's PR and tries to be seen as 'doing something' by being socially authoritarian in response.

The problem is that what it's turning into is much more repressive and authoritarian. I'd expect Cameron's mob to follow the same trajectory. Use a bunch of libertarian rhetoric to get elected then switch heavily into authoritarian mode once they don't have to worry about popularity contests and try to convince the general public that having the cops stomping on politically active citizens' faces is actually the solution to all their problems.

Whether that'll work with the jobless total rising, inflation wiping out savings while the fat-cats are paying themselves huge bonuses is another question.

If it doesn't work, there's always the Civil Contingencies Act though and I expect that it's knowing that they can shoot people if they feel they really have to that lets Mandleson and his pals feel so smug about all this stuff.

I hope you are wrong. And it is the amount of chaos in the system at the moment that helps me to maintain that hope.

 

[Prince Rhyus]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...lly-waking-up-to-the-demise-of-democracy.html

makes for interesting reading.

Wonder how the EU institutions will react to a severe recession in a globalised age - where we are more integrated economically, there is a greater flow of information - and disinformation, and where there is no mainstream recognised alternative.

Will the mainstream political parties across the continent be able to keep a lid on the feelings if more cases like this come up.

 

[butchersapron]

Janet daly, fuck off.

This stuff has to come from the left.