Yet more police brutality

[detective-boy]

Anyone know if this has been picked up by the mainstream media?

Probably not. They have lawyers who get a bit arsey about little things like "accuracy".

 

[detective-boy]

I didn't think they would - it's too political for them and too anti police...

So why the fuck did they cover the woman arrested for reading outthe list of war dead, then? EXACTLY the same political point. But she did it in a sensible way which meant she did not have to lie and exaggerate to prove her point.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

 

[detective-boy]

If she, and anyone else who decides to resist 'the law', can't be categorised on the paperwork then they're insane.

Not at all. I have absolutely no problem with people challenging the law. But she is not doing so in any sort of sensible way. She is provoking confrontation. She is putting herself in a position where she can be lawfully arrested. She is then unlawfully resisting that arrest, requiring the use of more and more force. And she has no need to do ANY of that to make her point.

She is part of the problem, not the solution. Her actions will undermine the legitimate concerns being expressed about the law she is highlighting. She does not need to get hurt. She does not need to hurt police officers. She does not need to waste vast sums of public money on investigating complaints. She is just being stupid.

 

[detective-boy]

You've posted a piece of video which (assuming there is nothing else not apparent in it) shows an unnecessary use of force in response to an insult, carried out by what appears to be a US police officerm, presumably in the US and, hence subject to US law.

If it had happened in the UK I cannot see any way in whihc it could be justified and I would expect the officer to be tried and convicted of at least common assault and possible attempted or actual ABH (depending on injuries sustained).

HOW, exactly, does this help debate the use of force which could be argued to be reasonable and necessary and, hence, lawful, to make an arrest for which a power exists, by a UK police officer in the UK?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I cannot even start to understand why the fuck she gets the arse about getting arrested. She clearly goes to where she goes purely and simply to get fucking arrested. What is her problem? If it is the law which prevents her lawfully protesting there, why fight the fucking police who will (as she well knows) come and arrest her. If they fucking ignored her she would just have to go and think up something more provocative.

She is insane.

what part of legally part of a legal protest did you not read in that report... or is this the usal stand tall and proud and defending the indefensable...

yup that'd be it...

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I would expect the officer to be tried and convicted of at least common assault and possible attempted or actual ABH (depending on injuries sustained).

When you say "expect" do you mean that this should happen, or that it would be likely to happen?

 

[red dahlia]

You've posted a piece of video which (assuming there is nothing else not apparent in it) shows an unnecessary use of force in response to an insult, carried out by what appears to be a US police officerm, presumably in the US and, hence subject to US law.

If it had happened in the UK I cannot see any way in whihc it could be justified and I would expect the officer to be tried and convicted of at least common assault and possible attempted or actual ABH (depending on injuries sustained).

HOW, exactly, does this help debate the use of force which could be argued to be reasonable and necessary and, hence, lawful, to make an arrest for which a power exists, by a UK police officer in the UK?

Well your more forgiving than I am.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the officers response to a Nazi salute in fact the officer should have followed up with several blows to the head and 10 minutes of kicking the shit out of the disrespectful little prick.

Power to the police I say.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

HOW, exactly, does this help debate the use of force which could be argued to be reasonable and necessary and, hence, lawful, to make an arrest for which a power exists, by a UK police officer in the UK?

You know what? I thought twice about posting it and I thought the exact same thing. Unfortunatly it was in paste cash and I'm a twat.

 

[The Black Hand]

Well your more forgiving than I am.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the officers response to a Nazi salute in fact the officer should have followed up with several blows to the head and 10 minutes of kicking the shit out of the disrespectful little prick.

Power to the police I say.

He's a fucking clown you twat - there's no red in you either dilly dallier...

 

[The Black Hand]

If it had happened in the UK I cannot see any way in whihc it could be justified and I would expect the officer to be tried and convicted of at least common assault and possible attempted or actual ABH (depending on injuries sustained).

HOW, exactly, does this help debate the use of force which could be argued to be reasonable and necessary and, hence, lawful, to make an arrest for which a power exists, by a UK police officer in the UK?

Para 1 - yeah right - happens as much as the pigs flying...

Para 2 - There is nothing reasonable nor neccessary about stopping a coupla people protesting in Parliament square... Its illegitimate, and they did it with malice. So fuck the police.

 

[Nigel]

Attica's Anarchist Peoples Militia

We need your militia to come and sort these pigs out and, when elected by local communities to come and deal with 'Community Relations'.

How is training going in The Lebanon; if only i could be there to help you out. But i've got a bit of a cold at the moment!!!

DEATH TO THE PIGS!!!!!!
DEATH TO THE PIGS!!!!!!
DEATH TO THE PIGS!!!!!!
DEATH TO THE PIGS!!!!!!

 

[audiotech]

...

 

[exosculate]

I cannot even start to understand why the fuck she gets the arse about getting arrested. She clearly goes to where she goes purely and simply to get fucking arrested. What is her problem? If it is the law which prevents her lawfully protesting there, why fight the fucking police who will (as she well knows) come and arrest her. If they fucking ignored her she would just have to go and think up something more provocative.

She is insane.

I love the way you defend all laws regardless of the origins of the law and the context it is being used in.

Are you part of Police Retirees Against Tenuous Torts?

 

[red dahlia]

He's a fucking clown you twat - there's no red in you either dilly dallier...

Your the fucking clown but you aint funny,you pathetic gutter shit.

Eat my truncheon and chew on my toe protectors.

 

[exosculate]

Your the fucking clown but you aint funny,you pathetic gutter shit.

Eat my truncheon and chew on my toe protectors.

You sound familiar.

 

[lostexpectation]

all dressed up and no-one to batter ahh, ah what heck that guy over there will do

http://www.bristol.indymedia.org/newswire.php?story_id=25608

 

[The Black Hand]

Your the fucking clown but you aint funny,you pathetic gutter shit.

Eat my truncheon and chew on my toe protectors.

Now where's the 'yawn' smilies when you need them? You're a bore - fuck off

 

[bruise]

the officers as they pushed barbara and steve first against the railings, and then dragged them into parliament square where they forced them down onto the ground. barbara's face was covered with mud as she was led off to the police van, and both looked very alarmed and distressed by the police actions.

dectective boy - forget the rest of the context - do you really think this was justified / needed / legitimate?

(why not assume for the sake of argument that the report is accurate)

 

[The Black Hand]

all dressed up and no-one to batter ahh, ah what heck that guy over there will do

http://www.bristol.indymedia.org/newswire.php?story_id=25608

Oh look - yet more abuse of power by the police - wankers the lot of them

My memory tell me they've done this sort of thing before in Bristol.

 

[detective-boy]

When you say "expect" do you mean that this should happen, or that it would be likely to happen?

Both

 

[detective-boy]

I love the way you defend all laws regardless of the origins of the law and the context it is being used in.

And exactly which bit of my post:

Her actions will undermine the legitimate concerns being expressed about the law she is highlighting

are you having difficulty with? You can see the word "legitimate" there can you?

 

[detective-boy]

dectective boy - forget the rest of the context - do you really think this was justified / needed / legitimate?

What is described there is pretty standard tactics for a resisted arrest. People are held - if they struggle they are held by more than one officer. If possible they are held against something such as a wall or (in this case) railings. If they continue to struggle they are taken to the ground. This may result in them having to be "dragged" to one side or another and in them getting "muddy". It looks fucking awful but it rarely causes any significant injury and is a damn sight less damaging to officers and prisoner than a stand up fight.

If an arrest is made, the use of force is both lawful and necessary (not many prisoners would willingly follow you to the station). If an arrest is resisted then steadily escalating levels of force until such time as a person either complies or is forced into van / station or whatever is inevitable. What do you expect? Officers to go "Oh, sorry. If you don't want to come that's fine. I'll just let you go then shall I ...?"

If you'd wanted to pick a piece of the article which, if true, was of more concern you could have used the bit about using pressure on cuffs for compliance. That was a tactic some time ago but is now not smiled upon as it is very easy to cause significant damage to wrists, elbows and shoulders.

But, of course, none of us are in a position to judge what was or was not reasonable and necessary. That is a matter for the Courts / CPS / IPCC.

 

[soulman]

Not at all. I have absolutely no problem with people challenging the law. But she is not doing so in any sort of sensible way. She is provoking confrontation. She is putting herself in a position where she can be lawfully arrested. She is then unlawfully resisting that arrest, requiring the use of more and more force. And she has no need to do ANY of that to make her point.

She is part of the problem, not the solution. Her actions will undermine the legitimate concerns being expressed about the law she is highlighting. She does not need to get hurt. She does not need to hurt police officers. She does not need to waste vast sums of public money on investigating complaints. She is just being stupid.

You are of course entitled to think she and other protestors are stupid but you, and the senior officers involved in this case, are not professionally qualified to declare someone insane or not. Attempting to smear someone in that way shows up your limited understanding of how people who dissent, dissidents, have been treated by the police in their role as the legitimate enforcers of state legislation.

 

[fela fan]

Probably not. They have lawyers who get a bit arsey about little things like "accuracy".

You joking or what? Nothing at all would get printed if that was the case.

No, they have lawyers working for arms of the establishment making sure nothing embarrassing or revealing or incriminating is published that would expose those in power.

 

[fela fan]

She is putting herself in a position where she can be lawfully arrested.

That's what martin luther king used to do, and ghandi, and various civil rights protestors down the years.

I wonder why folk behave like this?? And ideas?

 

[lostexpectation]

What is described there is pretty standard tactics for a resisted arrest. People are held - if they struggle they are held by more than one officer. If possible they are held against something such as a wall or (in this case) railings. If they continue to struggle they are taken to the ground. This may result in them having to be "dragged" to one side or another and in them getting "muddy". It looks fucking awful but it rarely causes any significant injury and is a damn sight less damaging to officers and prisoner than a stand up fight.

If an arrest is made, the use of force is both lawful and necessary (not many prisoners would willingly follow you to the station). If an arrest is resisted then steadily escalating levels of force until such time as a person either complies or is forced into van / station or whatever is inevitable. What do you expect? Officers to go "Oh, sorry. If you don't want to come that's fine. I'll just let you go then shall I ...?"

If you'd wanted to pick a piece of the article which, if true, was of more concern you could have used the bit about using pressure on cuffs for compliance. That was a tactic some time ago but is now not smiled upon as it is very easy to cause significant damage to wrists, elbows and shoulders.

But, of course, none of us are in a position to judge what was or was not reasonable and necessary. That is a matter for the Courts / CPS / IPCC.

the cop was involving his personal feelings about the guy, as you were about the women as you reckon she's insane and deserves it, he was enjoying it, its obvious to everyone including you, you pretending that police wasn't being sadistic, still behind the blue line. why do you bother posting claiming you an ex-cop if your going to stay behind the blue line.

 

[detective-boy]

You are of course entitled to think she and other protestors are stupid but you, and the senior officers involved in this case, are not professionally qualified to declare someone insane or not.

Which bit of "It's a figure of speech not a fucking diagnosis" are you having difficulty with. You're fucking insane too.

 

[detective-boy]

That's what martin luther king used to do, and ghandi, and various civil rights protestors down the years.

Yes.

And did you see them fighting the officers who they knew would arrest them (apart from some token resistance)? And did you see them complaining that they were arrested, as they knew they would be? And do you see them whinging about the officers who arrested them as opposed to the politicians who made the laws they were contesting?

No. You didn't. That is the difference.

And will she have a greater impact than them in the longer term? My moneys on "No. She fucking won't.".

 

[The Black Hand]

Which bit of "It's a figure of speech not a fucking diagnosis" are you having difficulty with. You're fucking insane too.

Yes its a prejeudicial 'figure of speech' - which you have used again in the next sentence - such prejeudicial abuse about those with mental health issues is not big nor clever... You are the weakest link. Goodbye.