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Yet another herbsman casualty

Cobbles said:
Correct - whatever the vehicle, it should proceed only within its capability to stop.

If you can't recognise hazards beyond your stop zone then slow down.

If road conditions affect your ability to stop, then adjust your speed, immediately.
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thats a pile of cock.

if you did that you would remain motionless in central london forever more.

its risk mitigation, not avoidance, thats the issue here.
 
You could always mount any old bell so it dings as you're going along, especially if you want to tank along.
Bit like a bell on a cats collar.
 
That would literally mean a 5-10 mph for all vehicles in urban areas during the day. At the end of the day you cannot guarantee there isn't someone behind a parked van who might just step on the road right in front of you.

Sometimes it is the pedestrian's fault.

Anyways, should be demands that all trains (even non-stopping ones) slow down to 5 mph through no-barrier level crossings? Same principle...
 
Private Storm said:
So you drive at 4 mph just in case someone steps out in front of you? :confused:
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On a straight autobahn with good visbility, driving a vehcle with modern brakes (as opposed to DVLA stopping distances based on 1960's Ford Anglias on cross-ply tyres), a safe speed would be about 150MPH.
 
And what if you were in a car that's a bus that's a Prius that's a train that's being driven by cyclists drinking bio diesel in the congestion charging zone through a red light on the pavement at 150mph backwards in 1971? WHAT THEN?!!!
 
mauvais said:
And what if you were in a car that's a bus that's a Prius that's a train that's being driven by cyclists drinking bio diesel in the congestion charging zone through a red light on the pavement at 150mph backwards in 1971? WHAT THEN?!!!
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Here's a thought, don't drive or even walk when you're fucked up on drugs.....
 
Herbsman. said:
Why oh why did I not learn from last time... do not rush when you are late for a pickup...

I saw a woman walking towards the cycle lane that I was going down... (it's got kerbs on both sides and she was going to cross over).

I thought, it's OK she's gonna stop and look when she gets to the kerb, so I ease off the pedals but don't bother pulling my brakes...

next thing I know she steps right out in front of me without looking (she has her head down, looking at her feet)...

my brain freezes up and I pull the front brake but fail to apply the back brake... front brake doesn't bite, I panic, and BLAM.

Eyebrow = cut

Front tooth = broken

All of her knuckles = grazed

Bridge of her Nose = cut

Nostrils = bloody

Leg= hurt, can't stand up

Crying


I apologise and call an ambulance... then it all sinks in... I am a fucking idiot.

I don't care that she wasn't looking... it was my fault for rushing, not slowing down enough and failing to perform an emergency stop...


:mad: Fucks sake

Feel like cryin :(
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sorry herbsman, this made me laugh (am going through a bit of a hormonal stage) bit ermh scat, to horney (no pun intended)

ever thought about acid glo-wear, with flasjing lights?
could have been me you run over ;)
Quit while ahead, x
 
T & P said:
That would literally mean a 5-10 mph for all vehicles in urban areas during the day. At the end of the day you cannot guarantee there isn't someone behind a parked van who might just step on the road right in front of you.

Sometimes it is the pedestrian's fault.
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In a residential street that would be the correct speed.

On a main road I personally might get up to 30 mph - it depends on conditions. If this fabled loony pedestrian catches me unawares, I want to be doing 10 mph maximum when I hit them - not 30.
 
Stig said:
I have one of these, I'd definitely recommend one!

tobar-ltd-classic-bike-horn.jpg


I've been the stupid pedestrian in this scenario before, it's easy to do. Scared the wits out of the poor cyclist, I did. hope you're both OK.
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HA totally. but in all honesty...bumper beats forhead.
 
Cobbles said:
Correct - whatever the vehicle, it should proceed only within its capability to stop.

If you can't recognise hazards beyond your stop zone then slow down.

If road conditions affect your ability to stop, then adjust your speed, immediately.
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True, but there are some situations where an emergency stop is still not going to stop you hitting someone. If a pedestrian stepped out from between parked vehicles, for example.

I had a pedestrian step backwards into my path a few years ago - I was going quite fast, managed to stop before hitting him but I wacked my hand on the brake and caught my leg on the cross bar because I had stopped so suddenly.
 
gentlegreen said:
In a residential street that would be the correct speed.

On a main road I personally might get up to 30 mph - it depends on conditions. If this fabled loony pedestrian catches me unawares, I want to be doing 10 mph maximum when I hit them - not 30.
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If you drove like that in a driving test, you would get failed for holding up the stream of traffic.
 
innit said:
If you drove like that in a driving test, you would get failed for holding up the stream of traffic.
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Well thankfully I passed my test 17 years ago - without a single lesson and presumably before they employed Clarkson to rewrite the test.. :p

The 15 year old car and towbar helps keep the petrolheads at bay, and no, I do not hold up the flow of traffic I anticipate the next set of lights and I give way to others joining the traffic stream. Once in a while some maniac will pointlessly overtake me and I invariably catch up with them at the next set of lights without stepping on the gas.

Pedestrian first, cyclist second, motorist last.

I learned my health and safety as a motorcyclist 30 years ago - possibly the most vulnerable road user there is.
 
You would certainly hold up traffic if you were to drive through residential streets at 5-10 mph.
 
innit said:
If you drove like that in a driving test, you would get failed for holding up the stream of traffic.
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Only if you couldn't reasonably justify it.

eg I'd love to see an examiner making a fail stick if you crawled past a primary school at kicking out time where there's shitloads of kids running around, and lazy assed parents double parked whilst waiting to pick their darlings up (Oh noes, I've got to make sure my Tabetha is safe by driving her to and from the school gate. The rest of the kids that actually walk and are really at risk can go fuck themselves :rolleyes:). There's one such school beside the A13 near me, and passing there at home time is a nightmare, not so because of the kids themselves but the double parking that cuts visibility to almost zero until you're about to hit them. (If you're lucky you might see feet under the cars. That's about it for advance warning if its a small kid running out at you)

That is a particular situation where you absolutely must be able to stop within your sight lines and anyone who has a problem with driving defensively in such circumstances can go fuck themselves. However if you drove the same way down a major trunk road then you'd be asking for trouble, both from the police as well as other drivers.

IMO It's all about driving appropriately for the surroundings, road & weather conditions at the time. An appropriate way to drive on one side of this school (the side road where the gates are) would be total overkill on the A13 side (where there's no school ped access and its a railed off red route)
 
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