dennisr
the acceptable face
fuck off you sad, attention seeking, steaming turd
you are a cowardly liar and a troll
Y A-B - "the right has crushed the left"
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fuck off you sad, attention seeking, steaming turd
you are a cowardly liar and a troll
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
fuck off you sad, attention seeking, steaming turd
you are a cowardly liar and a troll
Why don't you offer practical solutions and analysis rather than just insults. And by practical I don't mean the usual stuff about 'you've all got to stand together' yeah we know that but how to encourage people to do so.
dennisr
the acceptable face
I raised a number of sensible points
A tedious twat came along and repeated his stock in trade bollocks (one that has been repeated for months on these boards) in the usual attempt to derail any discussion beyond his tedious self- and world-image
I replied in the only manner left to me in the face of such trolling wankery
now fuck off pal - go and scab on one of your workmates or whatever else it is you do for a 'living'
dennisr
the acceptable face
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
The problem is your fantasy world of union activism doesn't take into account that the majority of workplaces now are comprised of people who say things like I heard the other day which was 'I don't bother with the union anymore, after all the only time you need one is if you are in trouble and if you are in trouble then its probably your own fault that you are'. And this commentwasn't from a manager it was from an ordinary worker. What poster says is NOT bollocks its reality and he is not the only one to have seen it.
All poster an I are doing is pricking the bubbles of complacency and pomposity that seem to thrive on here.
dennisr
the acceptable face
I am afraid you two are the complacent, pompous twats here and have proven that to poster after poster on these boards who have been foolish enough to show you any understanding and sympathy
Think about it - if there was a poll on these boards regarding your utterly selfish and petty behaviour - derailing every thread, disguising every self-apology as a 'point' for the last few months - you two would be hammered by that poll. So many folk look at you two are a couple of moronic cretins.
Your lack of shame is probably related to your despression
Sorry for stating the obvious - now, run along scabby.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
What, you mean the ones that are all already scabbing anyway?
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
More than likely.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Yes, that's very much the type of reactionary guff I hear all the time as well. In one place someone said - in praise of the union: "it's good - you don't hear from them at all".
I mean - jeezus! That's the abysmal level of conciousness were up against - but somehow it's me and you that are in the wrong for pointing it out.
dennisr
the acceptable face
Join the protest - defend your p&p from the new depths of idiocy:
This message is hidden because poster342002 is on your ignore list.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Its a sort of 'shoot the messenger' mentality that they have. I don't blame them they've probably spent their entire lives pushing a type of activism that isn't getting bums on seats anymore but rather than question why its failing they attack those who point out that it is failing.
I was going to refer to them as the Austin Allegro of activism, a piss poor product that is sold to people on the grounds that its made in Britain and you should have loyalty to it even if it is crap. Then I realised that the Allegro had some good points whereas the closed minded dogma pushers have none.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Indeed - and seeing as I hear far, far more sad tales along the lines of what you (and I) have repeated here than I hear fables of soldiarity trumpeted by the usual suspects, I am forced to the conclusion that it is they who are completely out of touch and who have a totally false impression of the prevailing situation.
dennisr
the acceptable face
oh, no don't get me singing along to those tunes
" ... the hills are ... "
*dennisr is bored at work*
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I reckon you re right there. The situation does need to be changed but the key question is how. I'd be interested in hearing your suggestions.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I really wish I knew. I'm out of ideas. I can now see and admit that, though.
I used to be as bad as some others on here. 10 years ago I'd have been doing a bellboid or a dennisr at anyone saying what I or you are saying now. I've been there myself, but the scales really fell from my eyes over the last 10 years.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I don't think the situation is entirely hopeless but it will take a sea change in attitudes to make people more active and to see TU's as more than a historical anachonism and an irrelevance.
cockneyrebel
New Member
The ignore option was a good one. I guess KBJ and posterxxx can now talk to themselves.....
dennisr
the acceptable face
I don't know why but I always think KYJ would be a more suitable acronym
As somebody who comes from what was a solid Left wing background but who views himself as a solid Conservative now I can only tell you what caused my familiy loyalties to shift and that seemed to be a sense that the left no longer seemed concerned with people being able to better themselves but rather trying to keep them down.
My Dad always said that the main reason he switched from voting Labour was when they started abolishing Grammer Schools because he saw it as one of the primary ways somebody from a working class background could better themselves and more on into the proffessions. He had not gone to one himself but had done well after moving on from a secondary modern to completing an old fashioned 5 year apprentiship in hydraulic engineering but said that for his friends who did it, then it gave them a real leg up.
Now I know that this is not the whole answer but I do wonder if the left, after achieving a real lot of social good via the organised labour movement, then failed to adapt to the new world they created.
Personally I dont trust the left because they always seem to have lied to me and many of those supposedly leading it proved to be massive hypocrites. I was a bright lad who had to go through the comprehensive system and it gave me a loathing for those who imposed such a system. The Tories might be harsh but they always, by and large, did what they said they would and I liked that honesty.
Just the decline in social mobility after the last 10 years of a Labour Government are proof enough to me that something has been lost from what the Labour Party was meant to be and achieve.
My Dad always said that the main reason he switched from voting Labour was when they started abolishing Grammer Schools because he saw it as one of the primary ways somebody from a working class background could better themselves and more on into the proffessions. He had not gone to one himself but had done well after moving on from a secondary modern to completing an old fashioned 5 year apprentiship in hydraulic engineering but said that for his friends who did it, then it gave them a real leg up.
Now I know that this is not the whole answer but I do wonder if the left, after achieving a real lot of social good via the organised labour movement, then failed to adapt to the new world they created.
Personally I dont trust the left because they always seem to have lied to me and many of those supposedly leading it proved to be massive hypocrites. I was a bright lad who had to go through the comprehensive system and it gave me a loathing for those who imposed such a system. The Tories might be harsh but they always, by and large, did what they said they would and I liked that honesty.
Just the decline in social mobility after the last 10 years of a Labour Government are proof enough to me that something has been lost from what the Labour Party was meant to be and achieve.
