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China Is Detaining Muslims in Vast Numbers. The Goal: ‘Transformation.’

China has sought for decades to restrict the practice of Islam and maintain an iron grip in Xinjiang, a region almost as big as Alaska where more than half the population of 24 million belongs to Muslim ethnic minority groups. Most are Uighurs, whose religion, language and culture, along with a history of independence movements and resistance to Chinese rule, have long unnerved Beijing.

After a succession of violent antigovernment attacks reached a peak in 2014, the Communist Party chief, Xi Jinping, sharply escalated the crackdown, orchestrating an unforgiving drive to turn ethnic Uighurs and other Muslim minorities into loyal citizens and supporters of the party.
 
It’s non stop 24/7 propaganda from central command on xinagjiang at the minute. Recent non stories( in the past few days as an example being hawked are:

* new vocational training centres assisting with rehabilitation of imprisoned criminals - specifically ones who have influenced by extremists and terrorists

* expose of terrorist tactics to undermine the common good - apparently people are being bullied into burning banknotes by radicals in rural areas

* walking on roads is haram and being enforced by radicals. Yes really.

* killing of non believers is a guaranteed fast track to heaven for theses terrorists

* citizens in xinjjiang wholly approve of more police as they have never felt safer

* radicals promote multiple wives- up up 7 is commonplace for radicals /?this is s subtle one given the perceived shortage of brides in urban China

* children are purposefully becoming by kept out of the education system by extremists , thus forced by families into poverty due to employment prospects

This is a sample of what I have digested over a weekend skimming party approved outlets
 
China’s Detention Camps for Muslims Turn to Forced Labor

"China’s ruling Communist Party has said in a surge of upbeat propaganda that a sprawling network of camps in the Xinjiang region is providing job training and putting detainees on production lines for their own good, offering an escape from poverty, backwardness and the temptations of radical Islam.

But mounting evidence suggests a system of forced labor is emerging from the camps, a development likely to intensify international condemnation of China’s drastic efforts to control and indoctrinate a Muslim ethnic minority population of more than 12 million in Xinjiang."
 
The grey lady again. More a critique of Mckinsey and globalisation

How McKinsey Has Helped Raise the Stature of Authoritarian Governments
15/12/18
Especially remarkable was the location: Kashgar, the ancient Silk Road city in China’s far west that is experiencing a major humanitarian crisis.

About four miles from where the McKinsey consultants discussed their work, which includes advising some of China’s most important state-owned companies, a sprawling internment camp had sprung up to hold thousands of ethnic Uighurs — part of a vast archipelago of indoctrination camps where the Chinese government has locked up as many as one million people.
 
But guys, this is all CIA propaganda! China is a workers' state, despite allowing multiple international corporations to reap decades of profits off the backs of Chinese workers. They had to do it, see, because China needs development and if you've got a problem with that you're either a naive idealist or a US stooge.

At least that's what tankies on the internet keep telling me.
 
But guys, this is all CIA propaganda! China is a workers' state, despite allowing multiple international corporations to reap decades of profits off the backs of Chinese workers. They had to do it, see, because China needs development and if you've got a problem with that you're either a naive idealist or a US stooge.

At least that's what tankies on the internet keep telling me.

A fair few of those tankies are probably employed by Chinese intelligence services to spread propaganda online.
 
China’s Detention Camps for Muslims Turn to Forced Labor

"China’s ruling Communist Party has said in a surge of upbeat propaganda that a sprawling network of camps in the Xinjiang region is providing job training and putting detainees on production lines for their own good, offering an escape from poverty, backwardness and the temptations of radical Islam.

But mounting evidence suggests a system of forced labor is emerging from the camps, a development likely to intensify international condemnation of China’s drastic efforts to control and indoctrinate a Muslim ethnic minority population of more than 12 million in Xinjiang."

The next step is the 'voluntary' euthanasia of those too old or sick to work, 'for the greater good of society'.

There certainly echoes of the TR.
 
i spend a bit of time in the region. rest assured, that euthanasia is effectively practiced in many places. look at the well documented AIDS issue that started with dodgy for profit blood tranfusions- entire poor rural districts still wrecked even now. official PRC numbers are less than a million with HIV, you could easily multiply that by 10 and it would not be outageous.
 
There are rumours that a 10% about of the total Uighur population have been rounded up into re-education camps.
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More than anything, it is incredibly reminiscent of the lead up to the holocaust, and I think it is heading towards a genocide. Yet the world is silent.

It's classic colonial policy. You don't need to look to the Nazis. This is what the British were doing in Kenya in the early 50's; tens of thousands confined to concentration camps were many died
 
I watch a lot of the videos from serpentza on YouTube and barely any of them ever make me want to visit China, let alone live there.

Im sure it’s great if you are some kind of conformist drone but fuck all this social credit nonsense and having your internet massively censored.
 
I watch a lot of the videos from serpentza on YouTube and barely any of them ever make me want to visit China, let alone live there.

Im sure it’s great if you are some kind of conformist drone but fuck all this social credit nonsense and having your internet massively censored.

It used to be great actually, in the golden age of growth where the country was still opening up. There was a lot of optimism, and people were getting access to the outside world for the first time and were very curious, and there was kind of an assumption that the shitty things, while still there, were going away. As China is so different to the West it is also incredibly stimulating everyday and there's a lot of interesting stuff to see, there was also a kind of freewheeling wild west feel which was pretty exciting.

However, since Xi came to power things have been getting worse and worse, there are a lot more brainwashed nationalist zealots who are basically impossible to have a conversation with. The generation aged 24 - 35 today were once a reason for hope, but the younger generation coming of age in Xi's China with increased brainwashing in schools and more propaganda and censorship in general are a cause for concern. I worry the "little pink" nationalist youth are destined to be sacrificed in a war for Taiwan or in a political campaign to retain Xi's power, a la Cultural Revolution.
 
2022 is going to be the big year of reckoning IMO. China's struggling economy will have been struggling for several years by that point, the 2022 Winter Olympics will likely be a disaster and widely boycotted, drawing people to contrast negatively with 2008, and Sino-centrism and the faith that China is destined for global leadership will have taken a knock by India overtaking China to become the most populous country, and also will have been growing faster than China for the better part of a decade by that point, shifting the narrative from "when will China overtake the US?" to "When will India overtake China?"

Autumn 2022 will be the 20th National Peoples Congress, which should be the event that Xi steps down in if he hadn't abolished term limits. By that point, it will have become obvious that Xi is a total failure as a leader and there will be many people in the Party gunning for him. It will be difficult for him to argue that he has to stay in power when everything he has touched has turned to shit.

Expect a serious political crisis to emerge then. The Jiang Zemin faction will almost certainly attempt a coup around that time, and Xi is almost certain to try to cling to power. There is a real risk of him launching an invasion of Taiwan before then in order to justify retaining power, I think.
 
2022 is going to be the big year of reckoning IMO. China's struggling economy will have been struggling for several years by that point, the 2022 Winter Olympics will likely be a disaster and widely boycotted, drawing people to contrast negatively with 2008, and Sino-centrism and the faith that China is destined for global leadership will have taken a knock by India overtaking China to become the most populous country, and also will have been growing faster than China for the better part of a decade by that point, shifting the narrative from "when will China overtake the US?" to "When will India overtake China?"

Autumn 2022 will be the 20th National Peoples Congress, which should be the event that Xi steps down in if he hadn't abolished term limits. By that point, it will have become obvious that Xi is a total failure as a leader and there will be many people in the Party gunning for him. It will be difficult for him to argue that he has to stay in power when everything he has touched has turned to shit.

Expect a serious political crisis to emerge then. The Jiang Zemin faction will almost certainly attempt a coup around that time, and Xi is almost certain to try to cling to power. There is a real risk of him launching an invasion of Taiwan before then in order to justify retaining power, I think.


I know it's Christmas but aren't you overdoing it on the dominoes here.
 
I know it's Christmas but aren't you overdoing it on the dominoes here.

I don't know what that expression about dominoes means.

But I think I'm right. The 20th National Congress will be in 2022, and it will be the event when Xi stays beyond term limits for the first time. Normally it will be the coronation of a successor. He would have to make the case that only he can guide the country through a period of transition, which would be difficult with a record of failure and a diminished role of China in the world. Unless he voluntarily steps down (never going to happen) there will be a political crisis that year, either a coup against him or the unleashing of a massive campaign of repression against his opponents.

Don't forget that in 7 years he has purged more people than have been purged in the previous 33 years since the Cultural Revolution. There are a lot of people in the party elite gunning for him.
 
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I don't know what that expression about dominoes means.

But I think I'm right. The 20th National Congress will be in 2022, and it will be the event when Xi stays beyond term limits for the first time. Normally it will be the coronation of a successor. He would have to make the case that only he can guide the country through a period of transition, which would be difficult with a record of failure and a diminished role of China in the world. Unless he voluntarily steps down (never going to happen) there will be a political crisis that year, either a coup against him or the unleashing of a massive campaign of repression against his opponents.

Don't forget that in 7 years he has purged more people than have been purged in the previous 33 years since the Cultural Revolution. There are a lot of people in the party elite gunning for him.

The Domino effect is a cold war term where the US thought that any country turning commie would lead to other countries doing so. Knock one Domino and others also fall as a result. So in this context you've listed a set of things that lead on one to the next thing relying on the first to set off the second and so on
 
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In terms of either gdp gross or per capita this century

They are only 12 years behind in GDP per capita and growing at a faster rate. They actually were ahead of China as recently as 1990. I don't see why it is impossible - China faces a lot of economic problems, and either a major recession or a lost decade of stagnation seems inevitable, while India look likely to maintain high growth rates for the foreseeable. I could easily see India surpassing China by mid century.
 
India is also full of economic problems. Look at the stats for how many people have out of poverty in China since 1990 - its hundreds of millions of people. India has nowhere near the same seismic economic transformation, and is unlikely to soon.
 
Can't read the link petee, NYT blocked here!
NYT. December 28, 2018
BEIJING — Students at one of China’s most prestigious universities on Friday denounced the government’s efforts to crush a student-led campaign for workers’ rights that has embarrassed the ruling Communist Party.

More than a dozen students from Peking University in Beijing, in a rare rebuke of authority, protested Friday on campus to draw attention to the university’s attempts to punish students for taking part in the campaign.

The students are part of a small but tenacious group of young communists using leftist ideology to shine a light on labor abuses across China and to call for better protections for the working class.

The students have put the government in an awkward position because they are invoking the teachings of Mao, Marx and Lenin, which President Xi Jinping has championed, to point to problems in Chinese society including inequality, corruption and greed.

Peking University officials moved swiftly to contain Friday’s protest, holding the students in classrooms and keeping them through the night for questioning, activists said. They were still being held as of late Friday.

Videos posted online by students showed security guards shoving protesters and teachers grabbing students so they could not leave.

In one video posted on Twitter, an activist with cuts on his fingers asserted that the police had injured him. “They are trying to stop us from spreading the truth,” he said.

The stern reaction by the authorities reflects the party’s deep anxieties about the young communists and their unusual campaign.

The party has long feared student-led protests, especially since the 1989 pro-democracy movement, which had deep student involvement and was crushed in a bloody crackdown around Tiananmen Square. Party leaders may be concerned that the 30th anniversary of the massacre, coming up in June, could inspire new protests.

“They don’t want to take any chances about students organizing politically,” said Eli Friedman, a labor scholar at Cornell who in October suspended an exchange program with Renmin University in Beijing because of the recent crackdown.

The protest on Friday came after Peking University officials tried to block a Marxist student group from organizing a celebration for Mao’s 125th birthday. On Wednesday, the president of the group, Qiu Zhanxuan, was taken in for questioning by security officials, students said, and he was later removed from his post. On Friday, students held signs demanding that the university reinstate Mr. Qiu and several other members.

The university did not respond to requests for comment on Friday.

The young communists began organizing in the summer, when dozens converged on the factories of southern China to stand with workers who were seeking to form a labor union without the Communist Party’s official backing.

Throughout their campaign, the activists have steadfastly voiced support for Mr. Xi and the tenets of communism. In celebrating Mao’s birthday this week, for example, they sang socialist anthems and chanted slogans like “Long live Chairman Mao! Long live the working class!”

While the students’ leftist critique of society has gained traction among a small number of students on university campuses, their numbers have dwindled in recent weeks as the government has intensified efforts to detain leaders of the campaign.

More than two dozen activists have been detained, gone missing or placed under house arrest over the past few months. In November, a recent graduate of Peking University who took part in the campaign, Zhang Shengye, was beaten and dragged into a car on campus and driven away, according to witnesses.

Since rising to power in 2012, Mr. Xi has sought to rein in dissent, especially on university campuses. Advocates said that the crackdown on the young communists showed that the government was becoming even less tolerant of criticism.

“The message is clear,” said Patrick Poon, a researcher at Amnesty International in Hong Kong. “No one can avoid control, even the Marxists.”
 
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