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Crispy said:
So what is it about games that exclude women, exactly? Answering this question is exactly what nintendo said they wanted to answer when they first announced the wii
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Football was/is largely exlusionary to women but that is changing, thankfully they didn't go down the road of making football shite to hasten this.
 
*shrug* I guess you can have varying degrees of 'mainstreamness'
but still, I bet more people have seen star wars or titanic or james bond than have played sonic the hedgehog or civilization or doom
 
yeah to be honest cripsy i wouldn't be too shocked if more people have played on a console then kicked a football in this country.


dave
 
Crispy said:
*shrug* I guess you can have varying degrees of 'mainstreamness'
but still, I bet more people have seen star wars or titanic or james bond than have played sonic the hedgehog or civilization or doom
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Hardly a shocking or illuminating fact. I'm sure more people have ate beans than sushi in this country, doesn''t mean sushi isn't mainstream.
 
Crispy said:
It costs £8 to see a movie, but £40 to buy a game, and there's a thriving second hand market for them. I bet you more people see this month's no.1 movie than buy this month's no.1 game.
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How many people play that game though? One ticket is one person, I buy a game and anywhere from 1 to 5 people can play it.

The Wii has sold 50 million units out selling the non mainstream 360 by 20 million, isn't that an indication that games have gone mainstream?
 
How could you do a game like Streetfighter through the Natall? Or CoD? I like the tactile interface of a controller; for one i don't actually have to physically jump in the air and do impossible kungfu moves like Ryu's hurricane kick, or even Sagat's regular muay thai moves. Can you say torn hamstring?
 
The Wii is an electronic toy in the broadest possible sense; while all consoles come under this category, the Wii is a Connect 4 or Monopoly to the 360 and PS3 train sets - they're a product whole families enjoy playing with. The PS3 and 360 are both still 'purist' machines, with the 360 being probably the last trad games consoles, aimed at a gaming audience (PS3 is a media centre first - it takes RTIM and some digging to really start unlocking it's potential (e.g. video streaming over your home network), but it's a one box solution for private broadcasting, and has been sold as such.

Games are 'mainstream' in comparison with say 10 or even 5 years ago - but if you take 10 people, 5 Wii owners and 5 console gamers and stuff an FPS or something like Fallout in front of them and the Wii people will struggle on a skills level when it comes to using a joypad as Crispy points out above - they'll be looking at the floor and failing to shoot, not to mention get frustrated with FPS 'features' like not being able to walk through or jump/climb over things like fences, despite being the universal ultra warrior, or indeed when they fire a super weapon at a door and nothing happens to it.

There are substantial differences in the audiences - and control interfaces are a big part of that.

Crispy is also right about the money side of it - yes games make more, but the unit cost is wayl, way higher. If you look at units shifted, rather than money, cinema trumps gaming in terms of ticket sales...I mean come on - the market for games in India vs the number of people who go see movies...
 
Awesome Wells said:
How could you do a game like Streetfighter through the Natall? Or CoD? I like the tactile interface of a controller; for one i don't actually have to physically jump in the air and do impossible kungfu moves like Ryu's hurricane kick, or even Sagat's regular muay thai moves. Can you say torn hamstring?
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Just watched the video on XBOX Live and thought the same thing.

Playing Tekken on a Friday night after a few beers would be a recipe for disaster - trying a fancy move and ending up putting your foot through your rather expensive flat screen TV.

Looks good though.
 
face recognition technology.... :eek: jesus wept...

thankfully although on the face of it the idea of normalising this tech in peoples homes is orwellian in the extreme however due to m$ known fail at implamentation we can but hope that rather than it converting millions to the 'it's so much easier why don't all things access our services like they do on the xbox', but will put people off it as soon as the inveitable databse of peoples faces gets hacked and their profile shots are replaced by a goatsie.
 
Crispy said:
It is so not mainstream. My mum and dad watch TV and movies, listen to music, go to the theatre. They do not play games. Barely any women I know play games as we know them. It's only recently that these sorts of people have started playing games, and they're not playing Call of Duty or Fallout 3 or Halo, they're playing singstar, wii sports and brain training. 'Hardcore' gaming is still strong and will be for ages yet, but the possibilities for interactive entertainment to reach everyone have only just started to be explored.
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I'm seeing plenty of women on the Tube tip tapping at iPhone/Touch screens or carrying Pink DSLites. I think games that appeal to fe-males are very different to those that men (mostly) like. You just need to get developers (mostly men) to release them...
 
Yeah, they have virtual pets and that detective game thing or Dr Kawazama or whatever his name is.

Actually...does anyone have any articles/data on purchase/utility for the Wii?
 
Yup - like buying a home gym; how long and regularly is it used at 3, 6 12 and 24 months. I'd be interested in seeing what those stats are for family use of the Wii...
 
kyser_soze said:
Yup - like buying a home gym; how long and regularly is it used at 3, 6 12 and 24 months. I'd be interested in seeing what those stats are for family use of the Wii...
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People bought it, stuck it by the TV, played Wii sports for a bit and then forgot about it. When someone came round they wheeled it out for 10 minutes, the friends then thought it was a good idea to get one and did exactly the same.

The only really decent game for it is Zelda.
 
The thing is it's absolutely key knowledge to the argument of the Wii taking gaming mainstream. It's all very well if every family member is still using their Wii Fit or whatever after 12 months, but if the thing is only ever used by the kids (and drilling down further, by the males), then while there's been a surface change in the gaming audience, it's main audience is not only still it's traditional base, but it's also likely to remain that way, and that gaming is still viewed as some kind of novelty.

Obv this is going to vary from market to market - I would imagine who Japanese families live their lives around their Wiis and DSis...
 
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