X Men 3
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So a letdown compared to the first two then?
Surely better than Fantastic Four though?
Surely better than Fantastic Four though?
The Groke
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RenegadeDog said:
IMO yes!
RenegadeDog said:
Definately.
It just seemed such a preventable waste of a franchise.
Given that all the X-Men material you would ever need for making movies has already been written, I cannot quite understand the direction this one took.
A merely "competent" director, producer and SFX team alongside a decent script-writer or two, continuing the trend of (generally) good casting desicions, could happily make 5-6 X-Men movies of the same quality of X2 without breaking a sweat - if they were to stick fairly closely to some of the more acclaimed and interesting comic book story arcs.
Why are they not doing this?
I dunno.
CaffineKing
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Saw the film last night. Not nearly as good as the past two, and the plot was weak to say the least. Why don't people take a lesson from the likes of 'Sin City', take the storyboard direct from the comic and stop fucking it all up? Or just get Sam Rami [Spiderman]/ Chris Nolan [Batman Begins] to direct them....
As for Vinnie Jones I was actually quite surprised, and he wasn't half as crap as I thought he would be. Amazing what three hours of make-up can do.....
I heard that they are not doing any more x-men films but will be doing spin-off's with Wolverine, Magneto etc.
As for Vinnie Jones I was actually quite surprised, and he wasn't half as crap as I thought he would be. Amazing what three hours of make-up can do.....
I heard that they are not doing any more x-men films but will be doing spin-off's with Wolverine, Magneto etc.
CaffineKing
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He was far better in Lock-Stock...
CaffineKing
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And wasn't Juggernaught Xaviour's brother in the original comics? Or did he just run through one wall too many and forget that!
mhendo
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That might be true, but, given the way this one ended, i find it rather hard to believe that it's the last one. They left it wide open for another movie. It also occured to me that this might have been why some of the new characters weren't fully developed in this movie--because they're looking to bring them back and flesh them out later.CaffineKing said:I heard that they are not doing any more x-men films but will be doing spin-off's with Wolverine, Magneto etc.
As for the whole "why didn't they just use the comic book storyline" argument, i must admit it's a complaint i have little time for. This may surprise some fans of the comics, but not everyone needs to know the "real X-Men legacy" in order to get some enjoyment out of this stuff. My wife read the comics through much of her childhood, and really loved them, but when she goes to the movies she lets go of the comics and tries to enjoy the movies for what they are. I never read the comics, and to tell you the truth i'm not that concerned whether the movies take some license with the story.
I didn't think this one was as good as the first two, but i still enjoyed it.
nino_savatte
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CaffineKing said:
He was his step brother and his real name is Cain Marko. His powers are magical and not mutant.
http://www.incrediblehulk.com/juggernaut.html
The Groke
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mhendo said:
Granted, but when you have a wealth of ace story lines already to hand and you decide to go with a new different and shitter one to base your film on......
There have been other superhero movies which have deviated from their original comic plots and arcs - some wildly. They have also managed to be good (and in some cases excellent) films: Batman, Batman Begins, Spiderman 2 and X2 etc. Hopefully with Singer at the helm I will be able to add Superman to that list soon as well.
If you are going to wilfully piss all over your gift horse, you had better make sure you have something spectacular to back it up........and X3 was anything but.
Johnny Canuck3
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Two of my kids went. They say it's absolute crap.
Balbi
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muser said:
The X-Men trilogy demonstrate the greatest waste of a franchise since...er...ooh...Star Wars I,II and III. Poor characterisation and a lack of understanding about the importance of putting a comic book into a film (especially in X3). I'm thankful that a class act like Singer helmed the first two because - while he was working with sub-standard X-material - he understood certain aspects of the story. Imagine if Ratner had control over all three
Although I never got over Rogue being a rubbish Kitty Pryde in all honesty
They could have started anywhere in the huge history of X-films, even got the Marvel team to purposely put together a trilogy which didn't fuck about with the history. Sadly you'vce got to spoonfeed the bloody audience so the first film was basically "meet the x-men"....
No wonder Marvel have set up their own proper film division now.
Kid_Eternity
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The Groke said:Ok - saw it last night and.......
It was Ok but overall a wasted opportunity IMHO.
****MILD SPOILERS AHEAD CAPTAIN!*****
It seemed oddly short (funny these days how any movie that clocks in at under 2 hours seems short to me, but still....) and I think it suffered because of that.
There was certainly the promise of a good film, but so much of it came across as rushed.
There were some potentially bold moves in the character deaths that the movie offered up but they were frankly wasted on the whole - glossed over way to quickly and not used as they should have been.
I can also level the same criticism at some of the new characters who managed to stay (mostly) alive through the movie....e.g the whole "Angel" subplot showed promise in the opening moments of the movie and then amounted to a big bag of fuck-all.
Other interesting characters were introduced and then had very little to do.
The whole Phoenix arc was barely scraped over and for what should have been a major character and plot-driver, she seemed oddly relegated to standing over Magneto's shoulder and looking menacing until a few key moments in the film.
Why oh why they decided not to have the Brotherhood and the X-Men needing to team up to take on the uber-powerful Phoenix for this movie, I don't know.
I can also see the real Fanboys shitting themselves in rage at this one. When there is such a detailed X-Men mythology and a huge back-catalogue of stories and plot-lines, it would seem that such a film could almost write itself and manage to please everyone.
Not so. The insistence in using a new/bastardized story-arc and plot, sprinkled with a few odds and sods from existing material - and indeed taking liberties with those - means that the real X-Men fans will be left to wail and gnash their teeth at what could have been and those who only know the X-Men universe from the movies will be no closer to knowing the "real X-Men legacy".....
The script is what you would expect - forgettable and at times smirkable - and the acting is......passable on the whole, I suppose.
Storm is infinitely less annoying in this one than she has been in the last two outings and Ian McKellen puts in his usual, effortless-yet-authoritative performance.
Jackman pretty much does the business as Wolverine once again, but doesn't have much opporetunity to shine, though there are some good slashy/killy/claw-y scenes.
Vinnie Jones?
"I'm The Juggernaught - BITCH"
Well "lol" I guess, but for all the wrong reasons.
Fighting with claws: Check
Big SFX moments: Check
Some cool Mutant powers: Check
Left wondering what might have been: Check
A mindless yet passable way to spend a Saturday evening I guess, but not a patch on the second movie and I am not sure it will even stand up to the first so well on closer scrutiny.
Nice one, you just saved me the trouble of writing pretty much the same! Saw it last night, was midly dissapointed tbh honest and agree totally with TG that it was not a patch on the second (which was excelent imho). Damn shame really...
mhendo
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Importance?TheLostProphet said:
You do realize, i assume, that we're talking about superheroes and comic books and Hollywood here?
Whether one likes these movies or not, this issue is about as "important" as the name of Gwynneth Paltrow's new baby, or Oprah's latest diet.
krtek a houby
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I am sorry that Singer decided to bail out in favour of Superman (although, I am looking fwd to it).
This new one was Singer-lite. I mean Brett Ratner (or whoever)!
Why couldn't they have gone for, say, Croneberg or Aaronofsky?
X-2 was the "Empire Strikes Back" of the trilogy & this new instalment had a hard act to follow.
On a plus side, Kelsey Grammer was an inspired choice (even if he did sound a bit like Fraser at times). Would have been nice to see Nightcrawler again and a bit more of Rogue, who was under-used.
And Cyclops delivered a cameo but given his boring character that's not too bad.
As for Vinnie Jones - WTF?
This new one was Singer-lite. I mean Brett Ratner (or whoever)!
Why couldn't they have gone for, say, Croneberg or Aaronofsky?
X-2 was the "Empire Strikes Back" of the trilogy & this new instalment had a hard act to follow.
On a plus side, Kelsey Grammer was an inspired choice (even if he did sound a bit like Fraser at times). Would have been nice to see Nightcrawler again and a bit more of Rogue, who was under-used.
And Cyclops delivered a cameo but given his boring character that's not too bad.
As for Vinnie Jones - WTF?
mhendo
Aussie in San Francisco
It's interesting that it's always the "hack hollywood producers and directors" who get the blame for this. Why aren't the fanboys ever annoyed at the people who own these stories, and who sell them knowing that they're going to be fucked over by the movie industry? Surely Hollywood has been around long enough now that people realize how likely it is that their cherished stories will be ripped apart and then rearranged with virtually no thought for the original?Idaho said:
People are acting like Hollywood is actually in the business of artistic integrity or literary merit. Hell Hollywood isn't really even in the business of entertaining people. It, like every other large capitalist industry, is in the business of making money, and if they think they can make more money by turning the X-Men into My Little Pony, then that's exactly what they'll do.
Given that this movie had the second-biggest opening day revenue in movie history, the second-biggest single day revenue in history, and has grossed about $107 million after only three days in release, i think you have your answer as to why "hack hollywood producers and directors" mess around with them.
mhendo
Aussie in San Francisco
I'm sorry, too, that Singer didn't do this one. We got a preview of his new Superman movie in the theatre, and it looks like it could be good--it certainly looks darker and more serious than the Christopher Reeve movies.jer said:
I agree with this also, and to tell you the truth, i'm not sure that Singer could have improved on X2 either, although it would have depended how much liberty he was allowed in playing with the narrative line of the movie.jer said:
I thought Kelsey Grammer was excellent, and i also really wanted to see Nightcrawler again. The opening scene of X2, in the White House, was great, and i would have liked to see more of him.jer said:
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Hey mhendo.
The new Superman film (as you prob know) picks up after the second Reeve one, so we can (thankfully forget about so-so III and silly IV).
The trailers are pretty enticing; Spacey is defo Luthor and Brandon Routh(?) appears to get the geeky Kent persona across. Unless you prefer the 1986(?)John Byrne's re-imagination (hate that word) of Superman - this should deliver.
X-2 seemed to indicate an increasing potential for the franchise (another word I hate) but X-3 slowed that down. Although, the door has been left open.
I guess with so many characters stuffed into the new film, someone had to taka walk but surely ditching Cyclops instead of Nightcrawler would have been a better move?
Make mine Marvel
The new Superman film (as you prob know) picks up after the second Reeve one, so we can (thankfully forget about so-so III and silly IV).
The trailers are pretty enticing; Spacey is defo Luthor and Brandon Routh(?) appears to get the geeky Kent persona across. Unless you prefer the 1986(?)John Byrne's re-imagination (hate that word) of Superman - this should deliver.
X-2 seemed to indicate an increasing potential for the franchise (another word I hate) but X-3 slowed that down. Although, the door has been left open.
I guess with so many characters stuffed into the new film, someone had to taka walk but surely ditching Cyclops instead of Nightcrawler would have been a better move?
Make mine Marvel
Kid_Eternity
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Superman thread: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=130458
Kid_Eternity
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The Groke said:Total shame innit
Yep...a question; is this the end then? I say that because I'm sure years back when the pix of the first film turned up online there was talk of their being five films?
Maybe I'm remembering things wrong but my memory of this is that it was meant to be more than three films (hence the slow pace of the first two)...
The Groke
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Kid_Eternity said:Yep...a question; is this the end then? I say that because I'm sure years back when the pix of the first film turned up online there was talk of their being five films?
Well supposedly it is (now), but they are intending to make a Wolverine spin-off movie etc.....
Mind you, the ending was a fine example of unsubtle Hollywood "Oooh we're so gonna make a sequel" bollocks
Kid_Eternity
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The Groke said:Well supposedly it is (now), but they are intending to make a Wolverine spin-off movie etc.....
Mind you, the ending was a fine example of unsubtle Hollywood "Oooh we're so gonna make a sequel" bollocks
Yep. Isn't Bryan Singer doing Magneto?
subversplat
writer of wrongs
Thankyou all. This thread has made my mind up whether to go and see the film or download it. The telesync just finished an hour ago 
*converts to SVCD*
(It came in a bundle with X1 and X2, too!
)
*converts to SVCD*
(It came in a bundle with X1 and X2, too!
)
