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[revol68]

Is that all Beckham did then?

in the last World Cup? yes, pretty much! Did he do more than that in the past, of course, he was a brilliant player for Man Utd but in that role he had far greater support and movement around him that gave him avenues to pass into.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

in the last World Cup? yes, pretty much! Did he do more than that in the past, of course, he was a brilliant player for Man Utd but in that role he had far greater support and movement around him that gave him avenues to pass into.

Oh I see - your criteria was the last world cup. In that case I agree - fuck knows why you didn't say. I think you should stick in pretty much everyone then - only Hargreaves deserved to be in the squad after the world cup.

 

[revol68]

Oh I see - your criteria was the last world cup. In that case I agree - fuck knows why you didn't say. I think you should stick in pretty much everyone then - only Hargreaves deserved to be in the squad after the world cup.

well considering you were discussing Gerard, Lampard and Cole playing alongside Beckham (on the right) I think it made sense to assume you weren't talking about his prime years, otherwise you'd surely have to talk about Scholes (a player with the creativity and technical ability that England sorely need!)

You don't really know much about football do you?

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

well considering you were discussing Gerard, Lampard and Cole playing alongside Beckham (on the right) I think it made sense to assume you weren't talking about his prime years, otherwise you'd surely have to talk about Scholes (a player with the creativity and technical ability that England sorely need!)

You don't really know much about football do you?

What the fuck are you on about? Gerrard and Lampard were the subjects under discussion, and given they have over 50 caps each going back at least 8 years, I'd suggest that limiting the discussion to the World Cup takes is a little restrictive.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

And while we're at it in his 'prime years' for England people still said Beckham did very little except pass it and cross it accurately (and score free kicks). Rarely beat a player (one goal notwithstanding).

They ignored his determination and fight on the right, and his dragging games by the scruff of the neck when no-one else was performing. His tackling back and his leadership.

I disliked him from very very early on, but it's clear that following the 98 world cup (when were his 'prime years' without Lampard revol, given Lampard's been about in the England squad since 99 and Gerrard shortly after that) he was an immense player for England - or maybe all those international coaches admiring him knew 'fuck all' as well.

Dear oh dear.

 

[revol68]

What the fuck are you on about? Gerrard and Lampard were the subjects under discussion, and given they have over 50 caps each going back at least 8 years, I'd suggest that limiting the discussion to the World Cup takes is a little restrictive.

playing in the line up and formation you were discussing?

more importantly though in a discussion about the current England squad and Gerard and Lampards in ability to work together it seems abit random.

 

[revol68]

And while we're at it in his 'prime years' for England people still said Beckham did very little except pass it and cross it accurately (and score free kicks). Rarely beat a player (one goal notwithstanding).

They ignored his determination and fight on the right, and his dragging games by the scruff of the neck when no-one else was performing.

Dear oh dear.

yes when he had players to pass to, when there was some basic link up between the midfield and the forwards ie Scholes! The issue isn't about Beckham beating players on blistering runs it's about the fact that he used to do more than lump the ball up the field to Crouch.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

playing in the line up and formation you were discussing?

more importantly though in a discussion about the current England squad and Gerard and Lampards in ability to work together it seems abit random.

No, it was about you saying they'd never worked well together. I pointed out that the midfield was always carrying someone, be it Wayne Bridge, Steve Guppy, or whoever (except one Joe Cole appearance).

You then went on about how it was Beckham who shouldn't be in there, and tried to suggest I was only talking about the World Cup - which I wasn't. I was saying that Gerrard and Lampard can play well together. Nowhere did I say that they had in the World Cup.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

yes when he had players to pass to, when there was some basic link up between the midfield and the forwards ie Scholes! The issue isn't about Beckham beating players on blistering runs it's about the fact that he used to do more than lump the ball up the field to Crouch.

Oh dear.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

I don't even support England, yet I'm arguing with someone who called himself a fan 'because I watched the World Cup' and is now arguing on the basis of World Cup matches only and suggesting that I can't be talking about 'prime years' despite the fact that exactly the players I'm talking about played then.

<shoots self in the head>

 

[revol68]

I don't even support England, yet I'm arguing with someone who called himself a fan 'because I watched the World Cup' and is now arguing on the basis of World Cup matches only and suggesting that I can't be talking about 'prime years' despite the fact that exactly the players I'm talking about played then.

<shoots self in the head>

I'm not a fuckintg England fan! I hate the useless cunts!

So the years that Scholes played don't count as prime years?

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

I'm not a fuckintg England fan! I hate the useless cunts!

So the years that Scholes played don't count as prime years?

You're not a football fan either. You just chose to pretend to be one while Liberal.com kicked you out.

Where did I say that about Scholes? I'm just laughing at the stuff you're ignoring/ avoiding.

 

[revol68]

You're not a football fan either. You just chose to pretend to be one while Liberal.com kicked you out.

Where did I say that about Scholes? I'm just laughing at the stuff you're ignoring/ avoiding.

Well the years Beckham played at his prime for England were the years in which Scholes was in the team ie when the midfield wasn't the one you laid out.

and libcom hasn't kicked me out you daft fanny.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

Well the years Beckham played at his prime for England were the years in which Scholes was in the team ie when the midfield wasn't the one you laid out.

and libcom hasn't kicked me out you daft fanny.

Do I really need to spell it out.

Lampard and Gerrard played together with Beckham before the World Cup, yes?

Many times, yes? Sometimes they did it well, yes? Other times they didn't, but they were often 'carrying' someone on the left, yes?

So the crap about them 'not being able to play together' is simplistic shite. You follow yet, because that is what you said.



Just to clarify, that doesn't mean as a combination they haven't had awful games. That's not to suggest I don't think Lampard should have been dropped from the England squad at least twice in the last 2 or 3 years.

Right, continuing, Scholes also played in some of those teams - sometimes instead of one of the above. Sometimes as well as. Yes? Sometimes when Owen was the only one up front even. I don't understand why you think Scholes is relevant to the debate about whether Lampard and Gerrard can play together.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

I can't believe I just bothered to spell it out to him. Stopping now.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Nooooo, im an irish cardiffian, who was born in Shepherds Bush

Rugby Union- Ireland

Int Football - England/Rep Ireland

league football- Liverpool / Bluebirds

Yes im very mixed up

I see. But why root for England in football but not rugby? The rugby team actually show up.

 

[zoltan]

IM not an England fan, but its priceless whatching this national squad sitcom week in week out.

theres a myriad of problems and its mosty due to "player power" and the like

a couple of examples

Beckham "resigned" the captaincy a while ago - At what point was captaincy a title for life ? does this not smack of a little bit of arrogance ? it was not his to give back surely ?


The threat of "strike" when one of their chums was quite rightly suspended for failing to meet a drug test appointment. arrogance once again.... I remember Shearer the match pundit going privatley ballistic when he was told about this before the game

The complete absence of any kind of threat form th amanager- the hard core dont have to worry about not being selcted any more, they will get in cos they are part of hat little smug group , despite failing to achieve anything of note whilst in the England colours...

They all note that their paymasters at theyir clubs dont want them to kill themselves and will back them all the way should they not feel up to it/ cant be bothered to show up


Its truly laughable isnt it - they can do whatever they want and no one will take their Place away. You would get a better performance form a squad of uncapped Championship players - at least they would feel some pride about playing for the national team.

Never give Morons any responsibility - they need strong decisive leadership and not a friend as their boss.

 

[Sweaty Betty]

I see. But why root for England in football but not rugby? The rugby team actually show up.

Dont know what it is, but the england rugby team infuriate the hell out of me

 

[Termite Man]

Beckham "resigned" the captaincy a while ago - At what point was captaincy a title for life ? does this not smack of a little bit of arrogance ? it was not his to give back surely ?

My theory is he knew there would be changes under McLaren so hh predicted there would be a new capatin . This way he isn't captain anymore but it's because he chose not to be captain . If he for 1 moment believed he would be dropped completly then he would have retired from international football !

 

[stupid kid]

Could you give me one example of a game where they have worked together? Did you watch the first half of the match? Were England able to ever put their foot on the ball and pass it around?

The first 45 minutes against France in Euro 2004. And since then it's just been shit. Thank the lord for Owen Hargreaves. The really odd thing about Lampard is that when Gerrard's moved out to the right for England, Franky looked completely lost.