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The issue is the clubs in England. There was an article in the Gruniad website about Eidur Gudjonsen's 8-year old son trying out for Barca and he was shocked how far ahead they were compared to Chelsea.
The Barca team that won the CL had 6 academy players 5 of who play for Spain. McLaren, or indeed anyone else can only work with what they're given. Problem is, McLaren doesn't have the respect of any club of the FA to really tell them how to do it. He's not a winning manager.
Guus Hiddink does - just look how he turned S. Korea (and their youth system) around.
Sure there are a few clubs that give the impression they have talented systems - Villa, Boro etc, but the players simply aren't world class. The other clubs benefit from the networks of teams like Ajax who know how to train kids and then snap them up because they get held to ransom by lower division teams for their youngsters.
Gareth Bale worth the same as Zambrotta. Yeah okay
The Barca team that won the CL had 6 academy players 5 of who play for Spain. McLaren, or indeed anyone else can only work with what they're given. Problem is, McLaren doesn't have the respect of any club of the FA to really tell them how to do it. He's not a winning manager.
Guus Hiddink does - just look how he turned S. Korea (and their youth system) around.
Sure there are a few clubs that give the impression they have talented systems - Villa, Boro etc, but the players simply aren't world class. The other clubs benefit from the networks of teams like Ajax who know how to train kids and then snap them up because they get held to ransom by lower division teams for their youngsters.
Gareth Bale worth the same as Zambrotta. Yeah okay
revol68 said:
This is bollocks. They've had shite games together, but this is too headline simplistic.
Rollem said:
I reckon play them both with Hargreaves.
The problem is the lack of a target man who can hold up the ball, but we could also do the 4-3-3 thing that's become popular recently.
revol68 said:
I didn't watch it to be fair. However, I can't give you an example as I don't recall them - just tell you they do exist!
The problem is that when they get over-run in midfield and SG and FL are playing, they get blamed - but in reality it's usually because they and DB were carrying a player on the left (except the one game where JC was good).
I don't deny they've had shit games together.
Rollem said:oh yes. hargreaves is always my answer in desperate situations too
He's always been quality. What was ridiculous is the way he was slated for playing shite out of position before the world cup. People said he wasn't worth his place. Then, when played in position, he was easily England's best player.
Then everyone loved him.
He's not worth the stupid money Man U keep bidding though.
Relahni said:Why's that then? Christiano Ronaldo is about the same age and erm, if you take off your England rose tinted specs, I think you'll see a bit of a difference between Lennon and Ronaldo.
And Joe Cole on the left? A right footed player on the left? Why would he walk into any team? At club level, I'd rather have a fit Harry Kewell on the left than Joe Cole - and forgive me if I remind you that Harry Kewell was much better than Joe Cole in the World Cup.
David James!
Owen will always produce when fit in the big games - but take the pace away from his game and what do you have? Rooney - over-rated.
All imho.
The World Cup backed my opinion up btw.
I'm sorry but you can see Lennon is going to develop into a quality player. Did you watch Ronaldo in his first season at Old Trafford? He was good, but wasn't great. Look at him now. Ferguson has developed him into an amazing player. Ronaldo is currently the best player in the Premiership so comparing him to Lennon is a bit unfair.
David James is playing the best football of his career at the moment, and is playing a hell of a lot better than Paul Robinson lol.
A fit Harry Kewell LMAO. Joe Cole has always played on the left for Chelsea and he has been fucking good. Just because you play on the left doesn't mean you need a left foot lol.
Saying Lampard and Gerrard are "good" players and Rooney is over rated is just plain stupid. I suppose you'd rather have Peter Crouch up front
edit - Hargreaves is class as well, forgot about him. I take it he is still injured?
revol68
what, fucking what?
nonamenopackdrill said:
this shows exactly how little you know about quality football. This might earn Everton a point away to Bolton but it doesn't cut the mustard at international level.
Englands problem is that they don't work the ball enough, they panic going forward, and like a teenager putting on a condom shoot their load far too early, usual whilst aiming for Crouchs bap.
Look at the World Cup, the ball got humped up to Crouch or Rooney everytime youse got into the opposition half more than 10 yards and it doesn't matter how good your centre forward is they will never be able to do anything in that situation, not against a decent team, which is why Rooney got well pissed off. I mean look at Gary Neville for England, where is his overlapping runs on the outside, where is Rooney dropped deep and getting turned on defenders?
Agent J said:
I side with Relahni over you.
Lennon could be a good player, but you can't guarantee he'll be 'amazing'.
James had his chance and don't be stupid.
Kewell v Cole - Relahni wasn't serious you muppet (except Kewell was better in the WC) - he was just pointing out that Cole goes missing.
And your last paragraph? Are they not good? Rooney is over-rated - doesn't mean you have to prefer Crouch - but that's exactly the problem with the England team.
i don't give a shit what anyone says its all down to the manager. we need someone to give them a kick up the arse and play decent football. not this panic and loft it to crouch bullshit.
look at the managers we've had over recent years lol.
Venables, Hoddle, Keegan, Eriksson, Mcclaren
look at the managers we've had over recent years lol.
Venables, Hoddle, Keegan, Eriksson, Mcclaren
revol68
what, fucking what?
yes but that comes from the players not being able to settle on the ball in midfield, just look at the priemership, how many of the top teams have an English player acting as the pivot in the middle of the park? I mean only Man Utd do in Scholes and Carrick but even then I worry about our ability to control the middle of the park and as I said before United make up for this with an unrelenting attacking game, swithcing wingers and pretty much two wing backs in Evra and Neville.
Sweaty Betty
Hemo rising!
Agent J said:i don't give a shit what anyone says its all down to the manager. we need someone to give them a kick up the arse and play decent football. not this panic and loft it to crouch bullshit.
look at the managers we've had over recent years lol.
Venables, Hoddle, Keegan, Eriksson, Mcclaren
Pointless kicking anyone up the arse, just face it, there is a vast differnce between premiership level and international level and i feel like apart from a handful of players we have not got any other talent coming through...
Add injuries of our star players and the cohesivness is fucked alltogether..
As for Mclaren, well i was always of the opinion that after playing fergies patsy for soooo long he was never gonna have the big balls it takes to be an England Manager......
revol68
what, fucking what?
Just like to comment on this nonsense. Joe Cole is one of the few England players worth keeping whilst England were actually carrying that tube Beckham on the right, ffs if i had a pound for everytime that slow cunt tried to cross the ball from 5 yards inside the opposition half. The problem is that Lampard and Gerrard are essentially the same player.
haylz said:
Eh? I thought you were Welsh.
revol68 said:
Actually, when he did that he was great. Duck knows what you're whinging about. I think England fans forget quickly.
Straight off a shite phone in. If they were the same player they'd both be Gerrard and England would be great, or they'd both be Lampard and England would suffer for being one-dimensional.
Sweaty Betty
Hemo rising!
RenegadeDog said:Eh? I thought you were Welsh.
Nooooo, im an irish cardiffian, who was born in Shepherds Bush
Rugby Union- Ireland
Int Football - England/Rep Ireland
league football- Liverpool / Bluebirds
Yes im very mixed up
revol68
what, fucking what?
nonamenopackdrill said:
remember when you said people in the football forum were laughing at me.....
If you think it was great when Beckham was smacking balls up the pitch from the halfway line then you have no notion about football. I would blame too many years of watching Everton lumber through with Drunkin and Disorderly up front but my da's an Everton fan and it hasn't affected his ability to understand the game.
As for Lampard and Gerard, well there is a reason why people phone in saying they are essentially the same player and it's because they fucking are, though I would agree Gerard has more dimensions in his passing and tackling.
skunkboy69
Reverend of Eternal Light
I'm a fan of Gerrard but from the last few games he's played for England I don't understand why he's even selected.Some of the mistakes he made were schoolboy errors and he just didn't look at all interested.I enjoyed watching Dyer run about like a loon tho.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Rollem said:oh yes. hargreaves is always my answer in desperate situations too
I always fucking knew you were Sven
James is at the top of his game at the minute, he's really come into his prime this season; command of area, distinct lack of flapping and communication with the whole side - making the most of his experience now, something he'd previously not allowed himself to do. Robinson has looked well shaky, although I guess not having that first choice King/Dawson partnership has affected that.
Bring back B internationals FFS. There's a pool of 50 players that McClaren considers for the England squad. 28 got picked the other night, only one hadn't played for England A before. What about the other poor bastards?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
or in short...we've a natural quarters/semis side...which is exactly what happened in our last 3 tourneysRelahni said:
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
That I will agree with. Possibly wouldn't have used that particular metaphor, but the sentiment is right enoughrevol68 said:Englands problem is that they don't work the ball enough, they panic going forward, and like a teenager putting on a condom shoot their load far too early, usual whilst aiming for Crouchs bap.
We are one dimensional! In fact, I'd wonder if we even have one dimension!nonamenopackdrill said:
One of our biggest problems is that we seem to have no idea what to do with the ball; there's no tactics and no creativity/imagination. We don't seem to be able to control a game and any particular good move looks like it's just a collection of random events that happened to have a good outcome rather than any kind of thought process going into it.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
Agent J said:
Is that what england team you'd have ? Lets hope you never manage a team since you have 12 players on the pitch !
revol68 said:
Is that all Beckham did then?
