WTF is it with cyclists...

[detective-boy]

That was just a specemin, drivers do get charged with murder and convicted, it is, though I admit rare. (There are several cases pending though)

It is extremely rare - in fact, it only follows where the collision is DELIBERATE - i.e. it is an assault with a car rather than a non-deliberate driving incident.

 

[Herbsman.]

Firstly, it's not quite 'paranoia', is it? Cyclists are vunerable in traffic, and taking practical steps to be as visible as possible hopefully increases my safety in traffic. -That's my priority.

As for what fabrics I wear, that's surely my personal choice. (-Thanks for your suggestion but, on or off my bike, I rarely wear jerseys/jumpers.)

We all know that cyclists are vulnerable in traffic - I'm not debating that and I'm really not trying to argue against wearing high vis clothing in broad daylight. The fact that I don't think it's strictly necessary in broad daylight has nothing to do with my original query, which seems to be being ignored.

 

[Orang Utan]

The only high vis thing I have is a raincoat and I rarely wear it

 

[Sunspots]

We all know that cyclists are vulnerable in traffic - I'm not debating that and I'm really not trying to argue against wearing high vis clothing in broad daylight. The fact that I don't think it's strictly necessary in broad daylight has nothing to do with my original query, which seems to be being ignored.

Your original query:

WTF is it with cyclists who wear reflective jackets in the daytime? You have got to be f**king insane to wear a jacket in this weather, you are asking for B.O. and hyperthermia.

The only reason I've mentioned visibility is because it's the over-riding reason why I choose to wear what I wear, despite apparently running the risks of BO and hyperthermia you seem so concerned with in your OP. My choice.

You wear what you feel comfortable with, and I'll wear what I feel comfortable with. Deal?

 

[Herbsman.]

Look - high visibility clothing and waterproof jackets are two independent things, so lets drop the visibility thing. Shit, forget I even mentioned high vis. I would have started the thread if I saw people riding around in black extra-low-vis waterproof jackets too. I would have started it if I saw people walking around in waterproof jackets. I dont care what colour it is, it's still insane to wear a waterproof jacket on a hot sunny day while doing physical activity.

 

[Sigmund Fraud]

Why imply that this is because of some failing in "the plod".

the reason that there would be no charge of murder is ... that it would not legally BE fucking murder - there would not be any intent to kill or cause GBH.

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Did you even bother to read my posts on this thread YOU TWAT?

To make murder stick they have to prove beyond doubt that he set out to kill her.

So it turns out you're agreeing with me - I say its rare for 'the plod' to charge with murder and you concur.

Perhaps you should engage your brain before rattling off another morally outraged reply?

 

[detective-boy]

Perhaps you should engage your brain before rattling off another morally outraged reply?

Perhaps, if you know it's not "the plods" fault it would help if you actually posted truthfully in the fucking first place, instead of taking the opportunity to imply that it was due to police incompetence. Tosser.

 

[Sigmund Fraud]

Perhaps, if you know it's not "the plods" fault it would help if you actually posted truthfully in the fucking first place, instead of taking the opportunity to imply that it was due to police incompetence. Tosser.

You pathetic cunt. Instead of a climbdown you just make yourself look more and more stupid. Where on this thread DID I EVER say it was the plods fault? Please point it out.

I stated that it was unlikely that the police prosecute for murder - which you agreed to in your sorry arse excuse of a post. Now here you are giving it the big 'un about how I've slighted the Police, accusing them of being incompetent and that I've been dishonest.

Point it out you thick twat and I'll eat humble pie - but if you can't then maybe you should instead and apologise.

 

[Sunspots]

Look - high visibility clothing and waterproof jackets are two independent things, so lets drop the visibility thing. Shit, forget I even mentioned high vis. I would have started the thread if I saw people riding around in black extra-low-vis waterproof jackets too. I would have started it if I saw people walking around in waterproof jackets. I dont care what colour it is, it's still insane to wear a waterproof jacket on a hot sunny day while doing physical activity.

Firstly, your OP only mentioned 'reflective jackets'. -Not surprisingly then, many of the replies you've received so far have focused on reflective jackets and visibility. Secondly, you now say it's as much to do with non-cyclists as it is about cyclists. In respect of both points, both your OP and your thread title weren't particularly helpful!

That said, I wish you good luck with the rest of your thread. -It now seems to be about the potential legal status of murder-by-bicycle, or something...

 

[Geri]

I'm not aware of any cyclist deaths due to overheating as a result of wearing jackets in the summer.

Besides which, most cycle jackets are breathable.

 

[Sigmund Fraud]

Where are you detective boy? Are you frantically trying to find a quote to back up your lies?

Because you're such a reactionary old twat I thought for clarity I'd post up everything of mine from page 1 of this thread to which you seem to have taken a rather extreme objection to and are now calling me 'dishonest' and that I have implied police incompetence.

as if...

no, can't be there...

Thats fair enough, but plod are never going to charge a motorist with murder, hi-viz or no hi-viz.

Is dishonest or implying incompetence? No.

To make murder stick they have to prove beyond doubt that he set out to kill her. I think theres a lot more to that case than the article offers.

you actually agreed with this later on.

I know , but the majority of fatal RTA with cars and bikes are processed with far lesser charges if the motorist is at fault.

Far lesser charges than Murder that is - Got a problem with this?

How the fuck did you extrapolate your brainfart accusations from those postings?

 

[gentlegreen]

Since my preferred colours are black, grey and dull blue, I need to wear something reflective. I used to wear Sam Browne belts, but I find my cheapie "health and safety" waistcoat is quite often just perfect for keeping the windchill off.

If I'm popping down the shops on a weekend I may forgo the vest ...

 

[Herbsman.]

Firstly, your OP only mentioned 'reflective jackets'.

why do you think that is? it's because during hot weather i see lots of cyclists with reflective jackets on.
did you not read the second sentence which says

You have got to be f**king insane to wear a jacket in this weather, you are asking for B.O. and hyperthermia.

or did you just completely miss the point? would you like me to re-write the OP just for you? here you go:

"WTF is it with cyclists who wear any kind of jacket in the daytime? You have got to be f**king insane to wear a jacket in this weather, you are asking for B.O. and hyperthermia."

there you go. no mention of reflectiveness. is that better?

 

[Geri]

Herbsman, why are you such a wanker?

 

[Sunspots]

would you like me to re-write the OP just for you? here you go:

"WTF is it with cyclists who wear any kind of jacket in the daytime? You have got to be f**king insane to wear a jacket in this weather, you are asking for B.O. and hyperthermia."

there you go. no mention of reflectiveness. is that better?

Thanks, for that. It wasn't too difficult for you was it? You could've saved yourself a whole lot of misunderstanding if only you'd have said what you actually meant in the first place.

I wasn't the only person to interpret your OP as it was written, so I'm fairly sure it's not me who's at fault.

 

[Herbsman.]

Thanks, for that. It wasn't too difficult for you was it? You could've saved yourself a whole lot of misunderstanding if only you'd have said what you actually meant in the first place.

I wasn't the only person to interpret your OP as it was written, so I'm fairly sure it's not me who's at fault.

I really don't understand how anyone could have misunderstood it. It was obvious what I was talking about.

Herbsman, why are you such a wanker?

Piss off.

 

[Herbsman.]

I'm not aware of any cyclist deaths due to overheating as a result of wearing jackets in the summer.

Besides which, most cycle jackets are breathable.

Where did I mention cyclist deaths due to overheating? And what does it matter if you are not aware of any cyclist deaths due to overheating? I'm not aware of any cyclist deaths due to overheating, riding while drunk, or riding with no brakes but that doesn't make it a good idea.

And what are you going to tell me next? That breathable jackets keep you cool in hot weather because they're breathable? Yeah, OK!

 

[Sunspots]

I really don't understand how anyone could have misunderstood it. It was obvious what I was talking about.

I so agree with you. You posted about reflective jackets and got a load of answers about... reflective jackets. -Like you, I'm at a complete loss to understand how anybody could've possibly misunderstood.

-It'd be nice if you'd have the good grace to just conceed the source of the confusion here, but it doesn't look like you've got that in you.

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[Herbsman.]

I so agree with you. You posted about reflective jackets and got a load of answers about... reflective jackets. -Like you, I'm at a complete loss to understand how anybody could've possibly misunderstood.

-It'd be nice if you'd have the good grace to just conceed the source of the confusion here, but it doesn't look like you've got that in you.

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It was clearly about overheating and sweating too much due to wearing a jacket.

You seem obsessed with the fact that I mentioned that the jackets were reflective.

 

[Detroit City]

...who wear reflective jackets in the daytime? You have got to be f**king insane to wear a jacket in this weather, you are asking for B.O. and hyperthermia.

these asshole cyclists think they own the road. bloody bastards thinking their bicycle will stand an impact with an auto.

these cyclists are total nerds...riding their bikes all about town

 

[Herbsman.]

oh but we do own the road. at least we will. soon.

 

[detective-boy]

Thats fair enough, but plod are never going to charge a motorist with murder, hi-viz or no hi-viz.

If this doesn't imply (I have always said imply - you DO know what that means, don't you?) that "the plod" are somehow incompetent / incapable and that it is their failure which means there are no murder charges, then I don't know what fucking does.

If you didn't mean to imply it, then I suggest you attend remedial fucking English a.s.a.p.

And if you meant "The law doesn't allow it, so it would be impossible" why the fuck didn't you say that?

Answer: You wanted a pop at "the plod" (note the use of derogatory title ... mmmm? ... wonder why that might be ...). And now you've been shown up for the twat you are, please stop trying to fucking justify yourself with even more dishonest shite.

Tosser.

 

[david dissadent]

these asshole cyclists think they own the road. bloody bastards thinking their bicycle will stand an impact with an auto.

these cyclists are total nerds...riding their bikes all about town

 

[Sigmund Fraud]

If this doesn't imply (I have always said imply - you DO know what that means, don't you?) that "the plod" are somehow incompetent / incapable and that it is their failure which means there are no murder charges, then I don't know what fucking does.

If you didn't mean to imply it, then I suggest you attend remedial fucking English a.s.a.p.

And if you meant "The law doesn't allow it, so it would be impossible" why the fuck didn't you say that?

Answer: You wanted a pop at "the plod" (note the use of derogatory title ... mmmm? ... wonder why that might be ...). And now you've been shown up for the twat you are, please stop trying to fucking justify yourself with even more dishonest shite.

Tosser.

You're the one who needs remedial school mate, closely followed by knowing when to back down school and then say sorry school.

You seem intent on continuing this ad infinitum - so I ask again, POST UP A QUOTE OF ME FROM THIS OR ANY OTHER THREAD where I am critical of the police - I didn't imply anything with the use of the word 'plod', its a word in common vernacular and I'm sure a word as an ex detective that you've used too.

You seem to have got the hump with me using that word and lazily seek to frame me as a police basher - if I wanted to bash the cops I wouldn't fuck about with words like 'plod', I would probably say 'pig cunt' or something similar.

You have no evidence so have invented this 'implication' - did you fabricate eveidence when you were 'plod' too?

TWAT.

 

[detective-boy]

You're the one who needs remedial school mate, closely followed by knowing when to back down school and then say sorry school. <snip more meaningless twaddle>

I note that you do not address the point I raised at all, chossing instead to concentrate on the word "plod", something which it is perfectly plain I used as supporting my point that you implied criticism of the police.

Fine. Live in your own little dream world.

Bye.

 

[Sigmund Fraud]

I note that you do not address the point I raised at all, chossing instead to concentrate on the word "plod", something which it is perfectly plain I used as supporting my point that you implied criticism of the police.

Fine. Live in your own little dream world.

Bye.

What 'point'? That nobodys allowed to use the highly offensive word 'plod' in case they get marked out by you as a critic of the police?

You don't have a fucking point, just a severe lack of grace.

 

[likesfish]

there was a young woman in sainsbury's jeans fleece and goretex jacket and cycle helmet I was wearing shorts and a t shirts and feeling hot so yeah wtf