Would you vote Labour if...

[Fisher_Gate]

Respect are a Swappie front org though arn't they?

No - don't you know they are all muslims?

 

[Tom A]

...this is the same PJP people whose councillors have now joined the LibDems they once sought to attack. It was never a PJP leaflet. Respect demanded that the PJP withdrew the unauthorised leaflet and they duly did so - the then secretary of the PJP, Raghib Ahsan, who made sure the offending leaflet was scrapped, is now a Respect candidate in the local elections.

Well it does highlight that there are some people involved with PJP and/or Respect that do exhibit hardline Islamist tendencies (such as homophobia), and all that has been done is that the offending members have been told not to express their views in public. These people have not ceased to believe that homosexuality is sinful or that it's OK for men and women to be segragated at meetings, just because they have had orders from above to stop distrubiting a dodgy leaflet.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Well it does highlight that there are some people involved with PJP and/or Respect that do exhibit hardline Islamist tendencies (such as homophobia), and all that has been done is that the offending members have been told not to express their views in public. These people have not ceased to believe that homosexuality is sinful or that it's OK for men and women to be segragated at meetings, just because they have had orders from above to stop distrubiting a dodgy leaflet.

There's no suggestion any of these people were involved in Respect, before, during or subsequently, though they may now be members of the LibDems.

Respect took a clear line and demanded the PJP officers took action to stop their members distributing an unauthorised leaflet.

The very fact that Respect took action and demanded a response is evidence that we will not tolerate homophobia, no matter who it comes from.

Nor is there any evidence that homophobia is a 'hardline islamist' view, any more than it is a 'hardline' Christian one. There are plenty of muslims who support gay rights, but like the general population 20-30 years ago, it is an evolving process. Remember it was members of the Liberal/SDP Alliance who attacked Tatchell in the Bermondsey by-election 20+ years ago. Tatchell was big enough to recognise we've come a long way since then.

 

[audiotech]

There's no suggestion any of these people were involved in Respect, before, during or subsequently, though they may now be members of the LibDems.

Respect took a clear line and demanded the PJP officers took action to stop their members distributing an unauthorised leaflet.

The very fact that Respect took action and demanded a response is evidence that we will not tolerate homophobia, no matter who it comes from.

Nor is there any evidence that homophobia is a 'hardline islamist' view, any more than it is a 'hardline' Christian one. There are plenty of muslims who support gay rights, but like the general population 20-30 years ago, it is an evolving process. Remember it was members of the Liberal/SDP Alliance who attacked Tatchell in the Bermondsey by-election 20+ years ago. Tatchell was big enough to recognise we've come a long way since then.

Aye, and Kinnock who said he'd find it difficult voting for a fairy (or something similar along homophobic lines).

 

[Tom A]

There's no suggestion any of these people were involved in Respect, before, during or subsequently, though they may now be members of the LibDems.

Respect took a clear line and demanded the PJP officers took action to stop their members distributing an unauthorised leaflet.

So what were Respect doing supporting the PJP even though there are homophobes present within it? Oh yeah, they are anti US/UK imperialism and anti-Islamophobia, duh!

Nor is there any evidence that homophobia is a 'hardline islamist' view, any more than it is a 'hardline' Christian one.

Well homophobia does usually appear to be one of the endearing qualities present in religious fundamentalists, Christian and Muslim fundies included.

 

[JimPage]

no- as its an essentially short term solution to fascism

i woudl only vote for a working class socialist candidate

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Aye, and Kinnock who said he'd find it difficult voting for a fairy (or something similar along homophobic lines).

Yes I think you are right - and Militant found it difficult to challenge it in the 1970s and 1980s too ... to be absolutely fair, the "household name" politician who took challenging homophobia seriously in public in those days was Livingstone ...

The point is we've come a long way since then and thanks, in part, to Respect's work, the muslim community are changing too.

 

[Fullyplumped]

The point is we've come a long way since then and thanks, in part, to Respect's work, the muslim community are changing too.

If this were true and could be proven then it would an extraordinary achievement!

 

[Streathamite]

The point is we've come a long way since then and thanks, in part, to Respect's work, the muslim community are changing too.

you reckon? dream on.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

you reckon? dream on.

Respect - Forward To The Tenth Century

 

[Fisher_Gate]

If this were true and could be proven then it would an extraordinary achievement!

Respect consistently supported a Gay Muslim independent candidate for President of NUS. This was despite the deals done by the Islamic Student groups at conference to support another candidate (and much to the annoyance of the ultra-sectarian islamaphobes of the AWL who accused him of being a 'soft left').

Respect conference in November 2005 reaffirmirmed its call "for an end to all discrimination against lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgender people" and this is publicly displayed on the website.

Increasing engagement by Respect with the Muslim community will raise these principles, but they are not ones that we are going to back down on.

Respect's approach will do more to change attitudes in society than all the megaphones used by our detractors put together.

 

[nacho novo]

I would never vote for Spew Labour.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I would never vote for Spew Labour.

Some of us have no choice it's that or fash.

 

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The BNP are at 7% in a poll in the Daily Telegraph today!