He is in very private retreat. He died in 2006.
Would a Tory Government be a good thing?
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ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
Heath came into power with a manifesto pledge to transfer taxation from direct to indirect taxes. It was only due to his Chancellor, Ian McLeod, dying soon after they took office that it didn't happen a decade before Thatcher. As for his government's attitude to trade unions, he had striking dockers jailed simply for being on strike. Also more extreme than Thatcher was his initial policy of abolishing the Open University, which Thatcher herself prevented whilst she was Minister of Education. Finally there was Northern Ireland. Just look up who was PM when Bloody Sunday happened.
Because Heath clearly despised Thatcher he has gained something of a reputation of being a moderate. He wasn't. He was just less effective.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Part was because we did actually have some parliamentary democracy - i remember actually staying up to listen to votes in parliament because you didn't know whether the government would get a majority. Thatcher changed that, made parliament irrelevant.
A Tory Government has never been a good thing...even during WW2 and Churchill it was a coalition of Tory/Liberal/Labour...for over 200yrs the Tories have opposed free education, the NHS, voting rights for women, child labour laws, equal rights for gays and minorities, and almost everything that most would consider to be right and fair...they have contributed nothing to this country.
A Dashing Blade
Takes horses to water but can't make donkeys drink
Whichever party gets in is gonna have to instigate a MASSIVE round of public spending cuts AND tax rises.
Anyone who thinks any different is totally delusional.
My personal opinion fwiw, the Blair/Brown administration's gonna go down as the one that finally fucked this country.
So, to answer the OP, yes it will be a good thing.
Anyone who thinks any different is totally delusional.
My personal opinion fwiw, the Blair/Brown administration's gonna go down as the one that finally fucked this country.
So, to answer the OP, yes it will be a good thing.
jiggajagga
Judge_Mental
The first thing the Tories will do in power is to give the richest 3000 in the UK a huge tax cut.
Labour was formed by the poorest, the trade unions, and has been hijacked by tories like Blair.
Tories have always been for the better off and always will be.
I'm sure anyone who was an adult during the 'greed is good' 80s who use these boards know what we are in for if they are elected.
Labour was formed by the poorest, the trade unions, and has been hijacked by tories like Blair.
Tories have always been for the better off and always will be.
I'm sure anyone who was an adult during the 'greed is good' 80s who use these boards know what we are in for if they are elected.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Yes whoever gets in will slash spending.
But the tories would be worst becasue they believe its a good thing to do period wheras the others would do it becasue they belive they're is no other viable alternative.
Labour fucked us over. The will Tories fuck us over whilst laughing with pleasure then come back for another go.
A Dashing Blade
Takes horses to water but can't make donkeys drink
Which, ultimately, boils down to a personal political/philosophic call on how large a portion of GDP you believe the state should be alowed to spend.
Clearly there is no "correct" answer to this.
A Dashing Blade
Takes horses to water but can't make donkeys drink
Agree.I'm sure anyone who was an adult during the 'greed is good' 80s who use these boards know what we are in for if they are elected.
to be fair they TRIED to (up to 90 day detention)
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Well tory cuts will hit harder and go deeper and that will affect the poorest most.
However wealthy people may be better off and less affected.
Unless your wealthy the tories are not a good thing - never have been and never will.
hadaway and shite.
If the rich paid there way, and we scrapped ID cards, trident and illegal wars/occupations there would be no need for people losing their jobs and possibly their homes. What job are you in and how do you think it's safe from the Tory axe?
If you are a millionaire then no worries, i respect you voting for em. If you're on less than 50 grand a year then yer a fucking idiot
A Dashing Blade
Takes horses to water but can't make donkeys drink
Scrapping ID is and always has been tory policy iirc (?)
Not quite sure youi appreciate the scale of debt that this country is in. It is massive. Pulling out of Iraq/Afghanistan, scrapping ID's and 4 submarines isn't even gonna make a dent.
Nah, not a policy, they've implied it a few times but never committed to it. In fact does anyone know any tory policies, has Camerson actually committed to anything?
It will be a painful few years to start with because they have to sort out the financial fuck up that Brown is going to leave them with.
However by bringing in a culture of much more accountability from those charged with public spending along with real encouragement for wealth growth the country will get stronger and become a better place to live.
Also a lot more productive people will be encouraged to stay here rather than joining the flight abroad. I already have a couple of friends who say that they might be willing to come back here now that sanity has returned and these are the sort who will always be net contributors to which ever nation they are living in.
However by bringing in a culture of much more accountability from those charged with public spending along with real encouragement for wealth growth the country will get stronger and become a better place to live.
Also a lot more productive people will be encouraged to stay here rather than joining the flight abroad. I already have a couple of friends who say that they might be willing to come back here now that sanity has returned and these are the sort who will always be net contributors to which ever nation they are living in.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Nah, not a policy, they've implied it a few times but never committed to it. In fact does anyone know any tory policies, has Camerson actually committed to anything?
Nothing. So far, and given that the election is next year, there's fuck-all coming out of the Tories in terms of actual policies, only stuff they wouldn't do.
No. They've said they'll scrap compulsory ID cards, but have said nothing about the database, or if they'll stop cross-department information sharing. All the rest of their privacy rhetoric is aimed at suburban voters who are worried the council will start snooping in their litter bins under RIPA.
A Dashing Blade
Takes horses to water but can't make donkeys drink
A reasonable stratagy at the moment untill the election date is announced.
With all due respect those friends of yours sound like tools. People who throw the rattle out of the pram and leave the country just because a different party is in power really need to get a grip.
If they had stayed they would have realised that virtually fuck all changed when Labour took power. We had ten years of financial stability followed by an almighty clusterfuck, but lets be honest here, that clusterfuck would have happened had the tories been in.
I'm no Labour voter but to try and claim the tories are any better is frankly laughable.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
What will happen is what is already starting to happen. Benefits will continue to be cut. Mostly by targeting the groups least able to make a fuss about it. Which is the sick, the disabled, and those who are completely on the edge and too busy trying to survive to do anything else. Spending will be cut by any means necessary regardless of the long term consequences. Civil liberties will continue to be eroded. Health and education policy will continue to be based entirely on what is good for the administrators, accountants, and politicians, and will have absolutely no relevance to those they are supposed to be concerned about.
We will continue to operate internationally as USALite, because we will not be allowed to do anything else. That means military spending will stay too bloody high, and we will continue to waste money on a pointless nuclear deterrent simply because the USA needs our vote in the UN Security Council. Taxes will rise, but only for those not wealthy enough to really make use of the various loopholes that allow the seriously rich to largely avoid taxes.
This is because the majority of people in the UK no longer pay any attention to the reality of politics and merely treat it as yet another reality TV show. The UK media agenda is mostly set by foreign owned newspapers. The political establishment and the mass media have a very comfortable situation in which they can largely scratch each others backs. Pretty much nobody in mainstream politics is going to do anything to change that.
All political decisions are made on the basis that what happens in a few years time will be somebody else's problem. So if you can cut spending this year by a few million it really doesn't matter if it will cost several billion five years down the line because that will be blamed on somebody else.
Whilst most people remain willing to play their game their way the political and media establishment will continue to ensure that the wealthy and powerful get to fuck over the rest of us and present it as being in our interests. There is no current political party in the UK with any interest in changing this situation. Some gain from it, others gain from what little opposition there is to it. And all of them count on ignorance and apathy, or on theoretical castles in the air, to get anywhere.
My view is that we all vote according to one simple principle. If your MP hasn't voted against their party line at least 20 times in the last four years, then vote the fuckers out. We have to destroy the established parties. We won't do that by voting for fringe candidates. We can do it by removing the parliamentary leadership of all the main parties, along with all their most loyal supporters. It won't fix everything, but at least it's a place to start.
Party politics in the UK is dead. The parties no longer have any ideals or principles. So it's time to bury the buggers before they stink even more.
We will continue to operate internationally as USALite, because we will not be allowed to do anything else. That means military spending will stay too bloody high, and we will continue to waste money on a pointless nuclear deterrent simply because the USA needs our vote in the UN Security Council. Taxes will rise, but only for those not wealthy enough to really make use of the various loopholes that allow the seriously rich to largely avoid taxes.
This is because the majority of people in the UK no longer pay any attention to the reality of politics and merely treat it as yet another reality TV show. The UK media agenda is mostly set by foreign owned newspapers. The political establishment and the mass media have a very comfortable situation in which they can largely scratch each others backs. Pretty much nobody in mainstream politics is going to do anything to change that.
All political decisions are made on the basis that what happens in a few years time will be somebody else's problem. So if you can cut spending this year by a few million it really doesn't matter if it will cost several billion five years down the line because that will be blamed on somebody else.
Whilst most people remain willing to play their game their way the political and media establishment will continue to ensure that the wealthy and powerful get to fuck over the rest of us and present it as being in our interests. There is no current political party in the UK with any interest in changing this situation. Some gain from it, others gain from what little opposition there is to it. And all of them count on ignorance and apathy, or on theoretical castles in the air, to get anywhere.
My view is that we all vote according to one simple principle. If your MP hasn't voted against their party line at least 20 times in the last four years, then vote the fuckers out. We have to destroy the established parties. We won't do that by voting for fringe candidates. We can do it by removing the parliamentary leadership of all the main parties, along with all their most loyal supporters. It won't fix everything, but at least it's a place to start.
Party politics in the UK is dead. The parties no longer have any ideals or principles. So it's time to bury the buggers before they stink even more.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
perhaps if you look at what happened in the six counties on august 9, 1971, you'll have a better idea of what internment is.
ska invita
back on the other side
Torys in opposition are not Torys in power - so scratch that civil liberties stuff of the list straight away. A couple of meetings with MI6, civil servants and their US counterparts and theyll be towing the same line as labour. Policies like this come from outside political parties...
Hard to know how things will play out- fact is Torys are relishing the chance to cut and privatise, even more so than Browns Labour. Tory cuts scare me...
AS a betting man I still think a hung parliament is on the cards - Im going for a Lib-Lab coalition to win. Interestingly enough a Labour win is 14 to 1! Long odds (and a good bet) for a 3 horse general election.
ska invita
back on the other side
Dont think thats true. What is needed is Proportional Representation, and the breaking of the two party political system. If Labour hadn't broken their 97 pledge to introduce PR things would be a lot better now. Party politics still has a long way to go, its just the democratic infastructure that needs updating. I still say vote LibDem, in order to 1: crack the two party system, and 2: get closer to PR.
It won't, you know. It really won't. That applies whether Labour pulls off a miracle and scrapes back in, or the Tories are elected.
The great decline of the West has already begun. In a generation, people like you will be crying out for the kind of 'socialism' that's no longer possible.
Wait and see.
Beanburger
Deep Fried
19sixtysix
Bring me sunshine
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Beanburger
Deep Fried
Aww, c'mon. You could at least ask for a photo first
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