Discussion in 'Brixton' started by Gramsci, Aug 12, 2012.
page 3 of the articles of association
so there is no business too small apparently
If your business premises is below a certain rateable value you don't pay the Levy - not sure if you still get to vote...
All very interesting stuff thanks all.
Is anyone organising against renewal?
In my earlier post I was saying it was misleading as Brixton BID was something that the Labour led Council promoted for Brixton. Not a " collective" of business that asked for it.
Take this for example,
BIDs were part of Nu Labour project.
The money "invested" is the extra money extracted from local business on top of the business rates. To pay for things like policing and street cleaning which should already be covered by the business rates they pay.
Problem is the whilst local business I know grumble about paying levy they aren't that welll organised.
They could have used the more neutral word group instead of collective.
Using the word collective has for me connotations of something that is voluntary.
BIDs aren't. A business can't leave a BID and then not pay the levy. In my mind a collective , in everyday modern usage, is something one can join and leave . Not the case with a BID.
Calling themselves a "collective" is clearly misleading.
The dictionary disagrees
collective | Definition of collective in English by Oxford Dictionaries
“Done by people acting as a group”
Actually, common sense disagrees. You don't take people to court when you're supposed to be working together.
I love it when people pull out dictionary definitions. Context is everything when teaching vocabulary.
That doesn't matter. They could have used a different word, but they didn't and I doubt they tried to misrepresent themselves.
I suspect most small businesses couldn't give a toss what it is called - nor are they as interested or well versed in political theory as you are (not a criticism). It's just distraction.
But you are right that some of them are very unhappy about having to pay the levy and not feeling like they get much in return, as I know from personal acquaintances. And that is what is important. I doubt any them went into it thinking it was a cooperative enterprise and felt short changed. In fact some of them won't even have bothered to read the letter that got sent to them and won't have voted in the first place. Hence what then gets put in place is dictated by the minority.
So they secured the BID contract.
"Some 302 of 513 eligible businesses, a turnout of 59%, voted by 228 to 56, with 18 spoilt ballot papers, to renew."
I wonder what a spoilt ballot means in this context. Maybe "we don't mind the idea of a BID but we don't want this one"?
It's a bad bid, bud
Or just 'no to BIDs'?
I think if you vote against continuing the BID (or not enough people vote in favour) it gets dissolved (which is what happened where I live).
So I would have thought the spoils might mean something different.
I see Squire & Partners have no less than two people on the board of 20 - the only company to have such representation.
10% of the vote? Wake me up when they get to over 25%. Well done BID, good luck with it. I’d much rather LBL did all the stuff BID do, but the fact is LBL don’t, so BID it is.
From the articles of association
The board shall consist of not more than:
5 directors from BID members from large businesses
7 directors from BID members from medium businesses
7 directors from BID members from small businesses
1 director as a landowner
1 director from London Borough of Lambeth, elected member 1 director from the Brixton Markets Federation
1 director as a markets representative
There are only ten directors in total, two are from the markets or council that means only 8 of the 19 “business” slots are filled. Without knowing the definitions of large medium small, id guess that McDonald’s and squires are large ( though McDonald’s could be small medium if it is a franchise ). So i suspect there are free slots in every category.
So in order to be on the board all these guys have done is volunteered.
You imply this is some form of stitch up, but really it just looks like people from squires stepping up to help run Brixton Bid.
It’s good to see Squires getting involved with the local community.
Just imagine the outrage if they’d not....
Similar to the outrage of “too much” i suspect.
Business community. HTH. They're still excluding the 'ordinary' community from their elitist, exclusive rooftop bar and gardens.
I can't imagine any 'outrage' being generated either way, so I've no idea what you're going on about here.
Again, that is all in your mind. Please stop making things up. Thank you.
there are none so blind as those that will not see
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t.
There are at least 10 places left on the Brixton bid board
They’ve created something, I couldn’t go there before ( because it didn’t exist ), I can’t go there now.
My life is ruined.
Except it's not about you. It's about the community. Creating new elitist, unaffordable spaces causes division and underlines social inequality. If that doesn't bother you, jog on.
I’m a bit confused about what this is tbf. Just found a roof garden at an architect’s practice. Is that what you’re talking about?
If you're late to this discussion - which has taken place for some considerable time on another thread here - forgive me if I can't be arsed to restate it all over again.
Separate names with a comma.