Would a "Business Improvement District" (BID) be good for Brixton?

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by Gramsci, Aug 12, 2012.

  1. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    page 3 of the articles of association
    so there is no business too small apparently
  2. ricbake

    ricbake working out how

    If your business premises is below a certain rateable value you don't pay the Levy - not sure if you still get to vote...
  3. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    All very interesting stuff thanks all.

    Is anyone organising against renewal?
  4. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    In my earlier post I was saying it was misleading as Brixton BID was something that the Labour led Council promoted for Brixton. Not a " collective" of business that asked for it.

    Take this for example,

    BIDs were part of Nu Labour project.

    The money "invested" is the extra money extracted from local business on top of the business rates. To pay for things like policing and street cleaning which should already be covered by the business rates they pay.

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  5. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Problem is the whilst local business I know grumble about paying levy they aren't that welll organised.
  6. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    They could have used the more neutral word group instead of collective.

    Using the word collective has for me connotations of something that is voluntary.

    BIDs aren't. A business can't leave a BID and then not pay the levy. In my mind a collective , in everyday modern usage, is something one can join and leave . Not the case with a BID.
  7. editor

    editor Walking along the lonely street of dreams

    Calling themselves a "collective" is clearly misleading.
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  8. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

  9. editor

    editor Walking along the lonely street of dreams

  10. Favelado

    Favelado Half to the Tower, please.

    I love it when people pull out dictionary definitions. Context is everything when teaching vocabulary.
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  11. discobastard

    discobastard Well-Known Member

    That doesn't matter. They could have used a different word, but they didn't and I doubt they tried to misrepresent themselves.

    I suspect most small businesses couldn't give a toss what it is called - nor are they as interested or well versed in political theory as you are (not a criticism). It's just distraction.

    But you are right that some of them are very unhappy about having to pay the levy and not feeling like they get much in return, as I know from personal acquaintances. And that is what is important. I doubt any them went into it thinking it was a cooperative enterprise and felt short changed. In fact some of them won't even have bothered to read the letter that got sent to them and won't have voted in the first place. Hence what then gets put in place is dictated by the minority.
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  12. snowy_again

    snowy_again Slush

  13. 8ball

    8ball Bar Bore Silver Medallist

    I wonder what a spoilt ballot means in this context. Maybe "we don't mind the idea of a BID but we don't want this one"?
  14. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    It's a bad bid, bud
  15. snowy_again

    snowy_again Slush

    Or just 'no to BIDs'?
  16. 8ball

    8ball Bar Bore Silver Medallist

    I think if you vote against continuing the BID (or not enough people vote in favour) it gets dissolved (which is what happened where I live).
    So I would have thought the spoils might mean something different.
  17. editor

    editor Walking along the lonely street of dreams

    I see Squire & Partners have no less than two people on the board of 20 - the only company to have such representation.
  18. aka

    aka Brixton Hill

    10% of the vote? Wake me up when they get to over 25%. Well done BID, good luck with it. I’d much rather LBL did all the stuff BID do, but the fact is LBL don’t, so BID it is.
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  19. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    From the articles of association

    The board shall consist of not more than:
    5 directors from BID members from large businesses
    7 directors from BID members from medium businesses
    7 directors from BID members from small businesses
    1 director as a landowner
    1 director from London Borough of Lambeth, elected member 1 director from the Brixton Markets Federation
    1 director as a markets representative


    There are only ten directors in total, two are from the markets or council that means only 8 of the 19 “business” slots are filled. Without knowing the definitions of large medium small, id guess that McDonald’s and squires are large ( though McDonald’s could be small medium if it is a franchise ). So i suspect there are free slots in every category.

    So in order to be on the board all these guys have done is volunteered.

    You imply this is some form of stitch up, but really it just looks like people from squires stepping up to help run Brixton Bid.

    Last edited: Nov 2, 2018
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  20. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    It’s good to see Squires getting involved with the local community.
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  21. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    Just imagine the outrage if they’d not....

    Similar to the outrage of “too much” i suspect.

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  22. editor

    editor Walking along the lonely street of dreams

    Business community. HTH. They're still excluding the 'ordinary' community from their elitist, exclusive rooftop bar and gardens.
    I can't imagine any 'outrage' being generated either way, so I've no idea what you're going on about here.
  23. editor

    editor Walking along the lonely street of dreams

    Again, that is all in your mind. Please stop making things up. Thank you.
  24. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    there are none so blind as those that will not see
  25. alcopop

    alcopop Banned Banned

    Dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t.
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  26. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    There are at least 10 places left on the Brixton bid board
  27. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    They’ve created something, I couldn’t go there before ( because it didn’t exist ), I can’t go there now.

    My life is ruined.
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  28. editor

    editor Walking along the lonely street of dreams

    Except it's not about you. It's about the community. Creating new elitist, unaffordable spaces causes division and underlines social inequality. If that doesn't bother you, jog on.
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  29. 8ball

    8ball Bar Bore Silver Medallist

    I’m a bit confused about what this is tbf. Just found a roof garden at an architect’s practice. Is that what you’re talking about?
  30. editor

    editor Walking along the lonely street of dreams

    If you're late to this discussion - which has taken place for some considerable time on another thread here - forgive me if I can't be arsed to restate it all over again.

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