Those extra 3 minutes that turned into 4 yesterday.
I'm not going to let this go
I'm not going to let this go
Worst refeering decision ever?
- Thread starter Augie March
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Rollem
two kinds of wonderful
absoloutely. from where he was stood the ref would have just seen what appeared to be a rather rash challenge. he did get the ball and should have only got a yellow card in my book (it was a bit wild, typical griffin style)
still, stoke were already beat by then
*cough* super-hoopsaaaah 
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Going back to the '82 World Cup semi-final Schumacher not even booked for
almost taking Battiston's head off in a dreadfull head high tackle
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=coSfMSUSVPI
almost taking Battiston's head off in a dreadfull head high tackle
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=coSfMSUSVPI
I'm going to go out on a limb here. IMO Griffin's dismissal is fair. You would not see any complaints for that sort of tackle in any other league in the world. All this crap about it's a man's game is so much macho preening. If you want a violent sport there are plenty other options to go for.
Yes, his performance in the aus-croatia game was absolutely awful.
Augie March
blahem
Thing is, football isn't violent. There's just been a clamping down on refs to give straight reds on anything deemed to be a high tackle and dangerous. To be fair to them I suppose, more than anything, they're under pressure to make this kind of decisions.
But all in all, there was nothing wrong with Griffin's challenge and at worst it could've been a yellow, but red? Bonkers.
happie chappie
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absoloutely. from where he was stood the ref would have just seen what appeared to be a rather rash challenge. he did get the ball and should have only got a yellow card in my book (it was a bit wild, typical griffin style)
still, stoke were already beat by then
The issue isn't whether he got the ball or not. I think the referee looked at Griffin's actions before he made contact with the ball - ie, the lunge from some distance with his leg off the ground and the studs raised. THAT was the dangerous element of the tackle.
Many commentators seems to take the view that is the player gets the ball, then the tackle must, by definition, be a fair one! To put it simply, that is complete bollocks!
As a matter of interest, Griffin himself didn't protest that he got the ball. His argument was that it was his first foul! Again, complete bollocks!
Happie Chappie
Rollem
two kinds of wonderful
As a matter of interest, Griffin himself didn't protest that he got the ball. His argument was that it was his first foul! Again, complete bollocks!
Happie Chappie
that not complete bollocks it was his first foul, and deserved a yellow card. yes it wasnt a great tackle, but it wasn't a straight red either
happie chappie
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The complete bollocks element is that it is irrelevant whether it was his first foul or not. If the referee deems it dangerous, it is classed as serious foul play, and he has to be dismissed.
Remember, the referee only has one angle from which to view the incident, and doesn't have the benefit of endless tv replays with different shots from multiple cameras.
I don't know whether Andy D'Urso sent Griffin off because he thought the tackle, prior to Griffin making contact with the ball, was dangerous (which, I think, a case can be made for) or if he dismissed Griffin because he throught Griffin had fouled the attacker at the point of contact with the ball and immediately after (which, I agree, would have been harsh, as that part of the tackle wasn't a foul).
However, Griffin did not protest that he got the ball, and even Tony Pulis admitted that Griffin lunged for the ball. THAT was arguably the dangerous element.
Happie Chappie
Augie March
blahem
I think if you start sending players off for any potential danger inherent in a challenge, you'll be getting games finishing with about 5 players on each side. You may as well be outlawing sliding tackles all together.
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
The point here is that if Griffin did lunge from some distance with his foot raised off the ground and his studs up, the tackle wasn't potentially dangerous, it WAS dangerous.
Happie Chappie
Augie March
blahem
Hmm... When I saw it yesterday it didn't come across as being a dangerous tackle at all, but perhaps I need to see it again in real-time.
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
Hmm... When I saw it yesterday it didn't come across as being a dangerous tackle at all, but perhaps I need to see it again in real-time.
I'm not saying it definitely was a dangerous tackle, but was trying to explain why D'Urso might have thought it was if, indeed, that was his reasoning. I do, however, think it was arguably a dangerous tackle.
I was also trying to point out that spectators should not place too much credence on the comments of commentators and studio experts when deciding whether a foul has been committed or not as they are generally clueless about refereeing (Alan Green being a prime, but not the only, example).
I would also like to look at it again and I might very well change my mind as a result - a luxury the referee doesn't have during the game, I might add!
Happie Chappie
That'd slipped my mind, but it is an obvious candidate, especially given the stage it was on.
marksims68
Have guitar will travel
Kevin Lynch, Norwich V Ipswich 1995, carrow road. There are four minutes to go and Norwich lead Ipswich 2-1 in a highly contested derby. Suddenly the ball played into Claus Thomsen in the area, he is clear and will score, his shirt is tugged, penalty given!
Referee goes over to speak to a linesman who says it was offside, mr Lynch gives free kick to Norwich.
Result? Uproar!
And yes Mr Lynch I have NEVER forgiven you for that, and neither with us Ipswich fans.
Referee goes over to speak to a linesman who says it was offside, mr Lynch gives free kick to Norwich.
Result? Uproar!
And yes Mr Lynch I have NEVER forgiven you for that, and neither with us Ipswich fans.
Kevin Lynch - complete cunt.
Sent off four of our players and one of Wigan's on a mad night at Springfield Park in 1998. All five sendings off were ludicrous beyond belief. We were only 1-0 down with 8 men and looking likely to equalise so he sent another one off. Peter Beadle then spent the next few minutes trying to get himself sent off so the game would be abandoned
The man was an utter clown.
Sent off four of our players and one of Wigan's on a mad night at Springfield Park in 1998. All five sendings off were ludicrous beyond belief. We were only 1-0 down with 8 men and looking likely to equalise so he sent another one off. Peter Beadle then spent the next few minutes trying to get himself sent off so the game would be abandoned
The man was an utter clown.
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