Larry O'Hara
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Feel free to lie about what I said--this will help you in social work circles.
worst anarchist magazine?
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Feel free to lie about what I said--this will help you in social work circles.
Lifestylist is a term used to mean politicos (mostly anarchists, sadly) who regard certain lifestyle choices, such as veganism or wearing certain clothes, as a radical or revolutionary act in and of itself. Not uncoincidentally, folks who tend to hold this sort of view often have Godawful politics in other areas as well.
They tend to argue that opposition to noncing is basically the same as homophobia, like I said earlier it's a minority view but unfortunately, some anarchists are willing to tolerate this shit. There's an article on libcom about Hakim Bey that goes into it a bit more.what's the "justification" they use for it? surely noncery is incompatible with anarchism cos it involves hierarchy/power over another person?
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Lifestylist is a term of abuse used by marxists (some of whom pretend to be anarchists) to defame those who approach politics from a political perspective rather than an economic one.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
example?"Marxist" is used as a term of abuse used by idiots who don't posess the wit to understand Marx
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
marxists who pretend to be anarchists = pointyhead wankersLifestylist is a term of abuse used by marxists (some of whom pretend to be anarchists) to defame those who approach politics from a political perspective rather than an economic one.
lifestylists = people who would like the revolution, as long as they can retain their indolent & self-indulgent ways after the overthrow of capitalism
See both the post above the one you quoted and anything CrimeThink has produced, ever.
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You don't think Bakunin understood Marx? You don't think Marx understood Marx?"Marxist" is used as a term of abuse used by idiots who don't posess the wit to understand Marx
Neckshot fodder.
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As opposed those who would model us on ants or bees. Who see no value in individual difference, natural variation? Who see no value in the individual save as a unit of economics?
rioted
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"Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me"
I don't think that using Marxist as an insult speaks to a particularly great understanding of Marx. Especially when it's aimed at people who are not Marxists in the first place.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
the lifestylist is ime characterised by what i said, an indolent and self-indulgent lifestyle which contributes little or nothing to progressing any form of revolutionary project. i have nothing against people choosing how to run their lives. but lifestylist lifestyles seem to me almost without exception to rely on the continued existence of capitalism for their own continued existence. and ime lifestylists are pretty much invariably among the worst adverts for anarchism.
in any post-revolutionary society i'd like to see, work would be destroyed. as far as i'm concerned, we don't struggle for the continued existence of the working class, but to destroy it as part of the wider reformation of society: no capitalist society > no forced sale of labour > no class of people who can only survive by the sale of their labour. work, the labour required to maintain societal infrastructure, to feed and clothe and so on, would no longer take much of people's days, but perhaps a couple of hours a day. the abolition of the great deal of useless toil currently the core activity of so many people's lives would free people from being a unit of economics and leave them able to pursue more congenial areas of interest. but lifestylists seem rather averse to any form of organisation, and also from any sort of responsibility beyond the purely personal - which itself is beyond many of them.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
I found it thought provoking and amusing.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
Oh ok. There's so much wrong with that pov i dont know where to start!! and i think i've come across afew of those ........
thanks for that mate. i think i've read it before - it's pretty fucking depressing how many people were willing to let this shit go unchallenged!
why do you think they're willing to tolerate bey and his ilk? DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Drinking the last of the milk is a revolutionary act. Refusing to go out and buy more cos you don't want to encourage the capitalist system makes you twice as revolutionary.
Steve Booth
Bourgeois apologist
It's easy to criticise other peoples' stuff, but what would make a good Anarchist magazine? - a lot of what is produced only appeals to a limited group of people, broadly the people who share the same politics as the producers / writers / editors. Very few publications can break out of the "Anarchist Ghetto" - Colin Ward's Anarchy magazine from the 1960s is often well thought of, I can't just off the top of my head think of another, but I'm sure there will be some. I think if anarchism as a political philosophy is to make a difference in society, it needs to make that leap.
Without doing this, that sort of politics remains introspective, esoteric and can often blunder off down blind alleyways and wrong paths. This is as much a criticism of myself or of GA, as it might be about any other mag. Maybe what is needed is some sort of sense of art, something broader than just the politics, and a sense of fun as well. To sort of misquote or paraphrase Emma Goldsmith, "If I can't laugh it isn't my revolution". We often take ourselves too seriously. Among the current publications, TCA (The Cunningham Amendment) is sometimes quite good at the jokes. Somebody like Banksy isn't a magazine but has got through to quite a lot of people.
To my mind, a good magazine would, through its practice, answer questions like: How can we break out of the ghetto, and get through to people? How is what we advocate better than they way things are today? Have we expressed ourselves clearly enough? - Say it with pictures, say it with cartoons, say it with placards or posters or music or stickers or beer mats.
Without doing this, that sort of politics remains introspective, esoteric and can often blunder off down blind alleyways and wrong paths. This is as much a criticism of myself or of GA, as it might be about any other mag. Maybe what is needed is some sort of sense of art, something broader than just the politics, and a sense of fun as well. To sort of misquote or paraphrase Emma Goldsmith, "If I can't laugh it isn't my revolution". We often take ourselves too seriously. Among the current publications, TCA (The Cunningham Amendment) is sometimes quite good at the jokes. Somebody like Banksy isn't a magazine but has got through to quite a lot of people.
To my mind, a good magazine would, through its practice, answer questions like: How can we break out of the ghetto, and get through to people? How is what we advocate better than they way things are today? Have we expressed ourselves clearly enough? - Say it with pictures, say it with cartoons, say it with placards or posters or music or stickers or beer mats.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
This blokes magazine Green Anarchist is strange, weird, offensive and scary plus badly written.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
one of the features of the anarchist scene is its inability to put anything out that doesn't resemble a childs comic, a dreary and prententious 2.2 degree assignment on autonmous life styles/post capitalism/imaginary inner cities or a a liberal party version of Dave Spart.
The worst one I have ever come across is Occupied London ,at least Mayday is funny albeit unintentionally
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Its this allignment that many 'liberals' in America have with NAMBLA, apparentely Paglia's a member. Never really got to the bottom of why, even if you don't agree with them, relatively intelligent people allign themselves with this organisation?
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Instead you read Aufheben??
Yeah Larry of NFTB is not a nutjob though sometimes his confrontational online style when married to the conspiratorial nature of some of the stuff he deals with can make it hard to see to the casual observer.
Think Aufheben is really good, but wouldn't call it Anarchist, neither would its original panel of writers I should imagine.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Seems elitist to miss off Class War just because it's a newspaper rather than a magazine
In my opinion CW went down hill after it stopped being 'Britain's Most Unruly Tabloid', however compared to a lot of stuff on the Anarchist Left still relatively good.
Would have been Heavy Stuff that was their magazine.
Had some gems in it such as an article about class and how the middle class all hate themselves!
The corny horny handed (possibly false) lumpeness of it was entertainment value in itself
Gwacious. What a sour thread this is. Is this really the readeship Anarchist papers deserve? I think I'm right in recalling that when Green Anarchist was being raided and arrested (and subsequently imprisoned) by the police there were other comrades dismissing its editors as being fascists.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
i wouldn't call it really good or even mildly worth reading. its on a par with mayday for pointyhead shitfer wankstain politics
Rod Sleeves
New Member
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
For your special branch records; Socialist Party, but i'm moving and growing keener on the ideas of the Na t+onal Anarchists
Only political campaign really involved in KONP.
Reading quite a lot of Mao & Ho Chi Minh at the moment.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
i wouldn't call it really good or even mildly worth reading. its on a par with mayday for pointyhead shitfer wankstain politics
I dunno, was quite impressed with articles such as one on China, In Search Of Red October etc. for originality if nothing else
From what I remember of the collective they were based around on the south east coast, very active politically in real life terms, around issues such as casual labour, environmentalism, anti fascism, hunt sabbing etc.
Remember, I think it was the main guy who initiated it truancing SWP in a debate at a well known University, and another prophetically (more to the point quite accurately) talking about the role China would play after the fall of the Soviet Union at a Tony Cliff meeting, only to be accused by his cult of racism, victimising the 'yellow menace'.
You cannot just put Aufheben down to a theoretical quasi-autonomist journal waffling on.
But to be fair to MAYDAY never really paid much attention to it.
Whatever you want to say about Attica, he was very actively motivited around politics at one time
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That's cool, most anarchists wouldn't use you for shit-house paper either, being a bit fussy about what goes near their arses.
