World Cup Politics

[TAE]

Knowing about football and being an experienced football supporter are two very different things anyway.

 

[audiotech]

Knowing about football and being an experienced football supporter are two very different things anyway.

If that's directed at me I suggest you read my post again and you may spot the bit about running a football team, which with good strategy and tactics won a cabinet full of silver (which is more than England have done in the last forty years).

 

[Harold Hill]

but do they actually exist, or are they a figment of anti-trot imaginations? That's what I was trying to find out with the poll...

You weren't here in the run up to Euro 2004 then I take it.

usual suspects responsible.

 

[TAE]

If that's directed at me I suggest you read my post again and you may spot the bit about running a football team, which with good strategy and tactics won a cabinet full of silver (which is more than England have done in the last forty years).

Actually I meant the opposite - people who have never, as you put it, been abused and attacked by hooligans attached to visiting away teams.

 

[grogwilton]

i wasnt interested in football, my dad was always into motor sport so he took me to touring cars and stuff like that instead.

my only experience with football was always getting shit in school because my mum was german, about how shit germany were etc, and how 'we' (england) were gonna beat 'you' (germany and myself) like 'we' did in the world wars to. once it even got physical with my brother.

so for a long time i actually did support any team who played england, not out of support for the politics of the country england played, i couldnt give a shit back then, it was just wanting to see the people who gave me shit at school down the next day.

i did like football though i enjoyed going to Reading games when i did, but didnt really go regularly as i still associated football with the xenophobic shit i got at school.

since september have been living in Hamburg and going to st pauli home and away, because its perfect for me.

its football, so its got all the things that i enjoyed at Reading, the feeling of togetherness and community that comes with that and the joy and adrenaline of when your team scores a goal in front
of thousands of fans, the sense of power when your all singing, and the good feeling you get on saturday afternoons after your teams won.

AND its got left wing politics that go contrary to everything i associated with football before.

now i know that a football scene is made up of those who go to it, and isnt inherently right wing, and will try and go regular when i go back.

i will watch england matches, and be interested by them, and i no longer support the opposite team, but i dont think i'll ever really support them.

voted critical support though, as not supporting, or supporting just leaves international football to the right.

 

[TAE]

since september have been living in Hamburg and going to st pauli home and away, because its perfect for me.

I take it you don't like HSV very much then.


I grew up in Berlin, but due to my dad I ended up supporting the 'Fohlen'.

 

[grogwilton]

yeah HSV, there scene is shit, and theyre all commercial, playing in the 'aol arena,' and most of their fans dont even live in hamburg

*takes off sectarian football hat*

the Nazi scene they once had is tiny and uninvolved, and the real fan work against it.

they have a lot of real, dedicated fans, and despite its reputation st pauli is not free of 'i wanna be cool and support st pauli and go one weekend a year, and jut stare at everything else thats going on, without singing.'

ive heard rumours that the leading members of one of their fan clubs 'chosen few' are active i antifa work.

 

[William of Walworth]

What pisses me off about football now is that it's all geared around celebrity, money and business and has become a middle class fad.

'All'??

How about supporters, like me, of small/crap teams (Oxford have just been relegated from the Football League).

Those of us Yellows who've been following what's been going on over the last 15 years or more (Donna Ferentes is the one on here with most expertise about the history of Oxford United) have plenty critical to say about dodgy business dealings around the club.

And this 'middle class fad' shite is bollocks. When a team ceases to be successful, the glory hunters (not all of whom are middle class anyway) disappear soon enough. In Oxford's case, any such fans disappeared a long time ago, and a smallish hardcore of committed Oxford fans will continue to follow their team through the Conference.

Mad and irrational in a lot of ways agreed but you can't write football support off as nothing more than middle class faddishness -- that's insulting.

Far too many judge the whole of football by the worst of the bigger clubs.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

No problem with any of that, I do understand that, its's very frustrating that a minority of 'fans' (even sometimes a large minority) do give the rest of us a bad name at times.

Did you used to live near the Manor in Oxford then??

That wasn't the one I was thinking of, no.

I did briefly lived in Windmill Road, but they were in the 'third division south' or 'Beezer Homes League' or something then, and nobody went. I lived in Cowley Road when they played Manchester United at the Manor. But I used to go to Labour Party General Committee meetings in Headington Labour Club when the new owner, Cap'n Bob, once turned up and parked his Rolls Royce outside while he pleaded for planning permission to redevelop the ground (believe it or not he was a delegate!), but it was rightly turned down - he did us all a favour when he gave up his football ambitions and rolled into the sea a few years later.

 

[William of Walworth]

The name of Maxwell is not loved among longer term Oxford fans ...

In large part his crookishness is why the club is where it is now. Him and some other later crooks ...

 

[dylanredefined]

All I know about football is living in portsmouth I am supposed to hate southhampton as if they were the devil .Its not something I am intrested in .I dont think there are many any team but england people out there,but,what they lack in numbers they make up in noise .
The few I ve met have either been .I'm Irish or scots or welsh and i want to wind you english bastards up . Or the passionate football fan who is supporting the other side as the english side made some descion he knows is wrong and will bore you to death explaining it . Or someone who just thinks it funny .

 

[Ryoma]

I attended a world cup game in Marsellies in 1998 - England versus Tunisia. It was a great piss up in the Sun but I made a mistake of mentioning my Irish heritage to some Sheffield guys in a bar after the game and was nearly lynched. "Bog Wog" and Fenian with some of the politer comments. I saw many UVF and UDA flags on display and lot of the English supporters appeared like knuckle dragging cave men - all Nazi saluteas and No Surrender! For that reason I don't give a fuck about England at football and hope they lose every match. Cheering on any team alongside that bunch turns my stomach.

They won't win anyway!

 

[audiotech]

'All'??

Your right "all" is a bit of an exaggeration.

 

[magneze]

Its sad how some people feel the need to bring this type of shite into football .

Quite

 

[Harold Hill]

I attended a world cup game in Marsellies in 1998 - England versus Tunisia. It was a great piss up in the Sun but I made a mistake of mentioning my Irish heritage to some Sheffield guys in a bar after the game and was nearly lynched. "Bog Wog" and Fenian with some of the politer comments. I saw many UVF and UDA flags on display and lot of the English supporters appeared like knuckle dragging cave men - all Nazi saluteas and No Surrender! For that reason I don't give a fuck about England at football and hope they lose every match. Cheering on any team alongside that bunch turns my stomach.

They won't win anyway!

Please come back

 

[William of Walworth]

I attended a world cup game in Marsellies in 1998 - England versus Tunisia. It was a great piss up in the Sun but I made a mistake of mentioning my Irish heritage to some Sheffield guys in a bar after the game and was nearly lynched. "Bog Wog" and Fenian with some of the politer comments. I saw many UVF and UDA flags on display and lot of the English supporters appeared like knuckle dragging cave men - all Nazi saluteas and No Surrender! For that reason I don't give a fuck about England at football and hope they lose every match. Cheering on any team alongside that bunch turns my stomach.

They won't win anyway!

You're nearly as bad a sweeping generaliser as those arseholes were, then.

 

[cathal marcs]

On god, refer to Marradonna.

So, suprise me?

I don't think I need to prove myself to you or pass another one of your test a chara.

 

[audiotech]

I don't think I need to prove myself to you or pass another one of your test a chara.

Whatever.