World Cup Politics
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Kenny Vermouth
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What a fucking cock you are.articul8 said:
If I was Englısh, I suppose I'd support them. Beıng Welsh, I can't thınk of any worse prospect than an Englısh vıctory. Lıvıng ın the USA, I thınk ıt would be well funny ıf the US won. The Amerıcan publıc wouldn't even notıce, but the rest of the world would go ınsane wıth frustratıon.
Dude - it's football supporters we are talking about here. When England play then they cheer the english players, but when it's a club match then they hate whoever they are playing against and cheer their irish striker or goalkeeper.MC5 said:
Consider England v Germany vs a german playing in the premiership, for instance.
cathal marcs
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articul8 said:
FFS how many English fans sing shite like that? Hardly fuckin any I bet bar a few loyalist cretins. Im hardly an England fan and to be quite frank I do like it when they get knocked out but WTF should English born folk feel ashamed to support the country of their birth? Its like replacing the cricket test for the MC5 test. Your from an Irsish background you must be condemned to being Irish I think identity is a bit more multi faceted than that. People should be free to support whatever team they like if you want to support Ireland fair enough not a problem but if someone from a similar background from you chooses England why prevent them or view them as an unle tom figure.
How so much of the left alienate themselves from the working-class by patronisinng and sneering at them making them out to be boorish, racist thugs for something as simple as supporting their country in the world cup.
Fuck me I may even end up supporting England to wind up tossers like yourself well maybe im taking that too far.
cathal marcs
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Harold Hill said:
well said is this fuckin thread a parody?
articul8
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cathal marcs said:
I must have one hell of a disproportionate number of loyalist cretins near me then
TBH I don't expect it will get much of an airing this time round, the Irish being knocked out and all.I agree - who said otherwise? FWIW I will support England, again.
who said that? But there is a (media encouraged?) xenophobic element in England's support - chanting of "I'd rather be a paki than a turk" etc., which you tend not to get in club football quite as often. This is not "patronising and sneering" - its just an observation.
Harold Hill
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mutley said:
It's the kind of response people seriously expressing opinions like that deserve though.
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articul8 said:
And England are the only country in the world with this are they?
cathal marcs
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Harold Hill said:And England are the only country in the world with this are they?
Exactly although far from perfect they are a damn site better than most European countries.
cathal marcs
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articul8 said:
Not every Irish persons supports the IRA. I can't really see what you are getting at.
Fisher_Gate
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Bugger the teams playing in it - which country, if any, can I escape to for the duration to avoid hearing or seeing any reference to it?
cathal marcs said:
Fucking top post, and I agree with Maggot as well.
It'd also be good if people saying what they think about this also say whether or not they like football at all. If you're hostile to football anyway, then it's easier to sneer at those who like it, and at those who support England in the cup.
People who do like football, and who are English, yet who instinctively support their opponents in the WC for political reasons, should IMO ask themselves about France, Italy, Spain and people in those countries who'll be following the World Cup. All of those countries have elements of their history equally as (or nearly as) reprehensible as England's, or at least all three (and I only picked those countries as examples) have elements of their history that would make thinking people want to disassiociate themselves thoroughly from the worst kinds of nationalism. Just as I'm no boneheaded English nationalist myself -- as Maggot said, supporting England in the World Cup doesn't mean you endorse and condone all the darker elements of English imperialism in history or now.
How many football following French, Italian, Spanish lefties/radicals instinctively support their opponents in World Cup games? I reckon you'd be hard pushed to find many, if any at all. Even less in Brazil I reckon! And even fewer than that who'd support England against their own country! Yet a few bonkersologists on the 'left' seem to be expecting me, a football loving leftie who happens to be English, to actively support anyone opposing them in the World Cup. Even if said opponents are no great paragons of civilised politics themselves.
People who think like this are fucking lunatics.
cathal marcs
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William of Walworth said:
Self loathing lunatics at that
Fisher_Gate said:
S you don't like football, fine. No problem at all with that, and you're being forthright! Thus honest.
At least you're not actively arguing that to be properly left wing in England, it's necessary to support England's opponents in internationals.
Find me any more than the tiniest number of football-loving lefties/radicals/activists in any other country who actively supports any and every opponent of their own country's national side, and I'd be very surprised.
articul8
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cathal marcs said:
er, i know
in the context though (the pub in question was opposite a pub well known locally to be popular with Irish/Celtic fans), it clearly felt like a wider anti-Irish bigotry was in play.
I have no problem with a bit of lively banter between competing nations (or clubs). But this was something a bit more sinister, especially when police riot vans turned up!
and whilst I realise incidents like these might be quite isolated and locally specific, it does happen.
[edit - and to make it crystal clear I SUPPORT ENGLAND, WON'T BE PUT OFF BY THESE WANKERS, and do not call for people to support teams who play them]
But I see some people on here HAVE voted for such a position (whether for a laugh or not I don't know). Does anyone believe this?
Fisher_Gate
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William of Walworth said:
I don't care about football so it doesn't bother me who wins or loses. End of story.
I do care about where football grounds are located (I used to live near one and suffered
) and I do care about anti-social behaviour of any type - unfortunately this often seems to accompany football matches, though the vast majority of fans are perfectly okay, for some reason I can't fathom a tiny minority seem to view them as an occasion to misbehave.
cathal marcs said:Self loathing lunatics at that
It's a weird one. So unnecessary. Get over yourselves, self loathers. No-one's compelling you to support England if you don't like football, and even if you do, I have every respect for those whose prime allegiance is to their own club rather than country, plenty of logical/sensible football relevant (and indeed political) arguments in favour of club above country.
No problem either with English folk who for whatever reason will principally be following (for example) Italy, on the grounds of (say) relatives/family connections, or principally following (for example) Brazil for whatever football reason.
It's the 'actively supporting anyone but England' crowd that I'm mystified by. Or those who argue that to be supporting England, involves condoning or collaborating with nationalism, xenophobia, hooliganism, drunken pissed arseholism**, historical or present English imperialism, or whatever.
longdog said:**Real ale drinkers never start fights. FACT!!
That kind of assumption is insulting to those following England who in no way condone or participate in such attitudes or behaviour ...
Fisher_Gate said:I don't care about football so it doesn't bother me who wins or loses. End of story.
I do care about where football grounds are located (I used to live near one and suffered
No problem with any of that, I do understand that, its's very frustrating that a minority of 'fans' (even sometimes a large minority) do give the rest of us a bad name at times.
Did you used to live near the Manor in Oxford then??
articul8 said:
Actually I'm only encountered a smallish number myself, and I'd like to know how many there really are as well.
Some of the worst anyone but England types (those who aren't Scottish I mean
) tend to be snooty football hating sneerers** rather than actual Trots, only some of who fall into **this category
I voted critical support, but only because I reserve the right to criticise Sven and his players if they fuck up!!!!
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I was a football supporter and supported my team home and away on a regular basis and even worked at the football ground for a time, for 50p a game (now that's dedication).
I also helped run a local football team, who were that good they won every cup going and came top of the league they were in (I used to sell Socialist Worker in the pub after the game ).
I even remember as a lad (on TV mind you) the 1966 world cup (watched most of the games) and was over the moon when England beat Germany in the final.
What pisses me off about football now is that it's all geared around celebrity, money and business and has become a middle class fad.
The other reason is that the football team I worked for (for 50p a game I remind you) wasn't prepared to support me when I was a steward. Instead they sacked me. The reason I was sacked? Because I refused to stand in a stand and be abused and attacked by hooligans attached to visiting away teams "fans".
So, I don't need any lectures from any on this thread about football thanks, most probably know fuck all about the game anyway.
I also helped run a local football team, who were that good they won every cup going and came top of the league they were in (I used to sell Socialist Worker in the pub after the game
).I even remember as a lad (on TV mind you) the 1966 world cup (watched most of the games) and was over the moon when England beat Germany in the final.
What pisses me off about football now is that it's all geared around celebrity, money and business and has become a middle class fad.
The other reason is that the football team I worked for (for 50p a game I remind you) wasn't prepared to support me when I was a steward. Instead they sacked me. The reason I was sacked? Because I refused to stand in a stand and be abused and attacked by hooligans attached to visiting away teams "fans".
So, I don't need any lectures from any on this thread about football thanks, most probably know fuck all about the game anyway.
cathal marcs
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MC5 said:So, I don't need any lectures from any on this thread about football thanks, most probably know fuck all about the game anyway.
Fuck me you think your the son of god. What makes you think people here know fuck all about football?
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