World Cup 2014 news, chitter chatter and gossip

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014 Brazil' started by Lord Camomile, Dec 11, 2013.

  1. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    No doubt there will be a forum in due course, but until then I thought it might be worth having a thread for general discussion and to get all excited about the upcoming Fiesta of Football(TM).

    To start us off, here's the groups:

    Group A

    Brazil, Croatia, Mexico, Cameroon

    Group B
    Spain, Netherlands, Chile, Australia

    Group C
    Colombia, Greece, Ivory Coast, Japan

    Group D
    Uruguay, Costa Rica, England, Italy

    Group E
    Switzerland, Ecuador, France, Honduras

    Group F
    Argentina, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Iran, Nigeria

    Group G
    Germany, Portugal, Ghana, United States

    Group H
    Belgium, Algeria, Russia, South Korea
  2. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    12 June: Brazil v Croatia (21:00, ITV)

    13 June: Mexico v Cameroon (17:00, ITV), Spain v Netherlands (20:00, BBC), Chile v Australia (23:00, ITV)

    14 June: Colombia v Greece (17:00, BBC), Uruguay v Costa Rica (20:00, ITV), England v Italy (23:00, BBC)

    15 June: Ivory Coast v Japan (02:00, ITV), Switzerland v Ecuador (17:00, ITV), France v Honduras (20:00, BBC), Argentina v Bosnia-Hercegovina (23:00, BBC)

    16 June: Germany v Portugal (17:00, ITV), Iran v Nigeria (20:00, BBC), Ghana v USA (23:00, BBC)

    17 June: Brazil v Mexico (20:00, BBC), Belgium v Algeria (17:00, ITV), Russia v South Korea (23:00, BBC)

    18 June: Cameroon v Croatia (23:00, ITV), Australia v Holland (17:00, ITV), Spain v Chile (20:00, BBC)

    19 June: Colombia v Ivory Coast (17:00, BBC), Japan v Greece (23:00, BBC), England v Uruguay (20:00, ITV)

    20 June: France v Switzerland (20:00, ITV), Italy v Costa Rica (17:00, BBC), Honduras v Ecuador (23:00, ITV)

    21 June: Germany v Ghana (20:00. BBC), Argentina v Iran (17:00, ITV), Nigeria v Bosnia-Hercegovina (23:00, BBC)

    22 June: Belgium v Russia (17:00, BBC), USA v Portugal (23:00, BBC), South Korea v Algeria (20:00, ITV)

    23 June: Cameroon v Brazil (21:00, ITV), Croatia v Mexico (21:00, ITV), Australia v Spain (17:00, ITV), Holland v Chile (17:00, ITV)

    24 June: Japan v Colombia (21:00, BBC), Greece v Ivory Coast (21:00, BBC), England v Costa Rica (17:00, ITV)

    25 June: Ecuador v France (21:00, BBC), Honduras v Switzerland (21:00, BBC), Nigeria v Argentina (17:00, ITV), Bosnia-Hercegovina v Iran (17:00, ITV)

    26 June: South Korea v Belgium (21:00, ITV), Algeria v Russia (21:00, ITV), USA V Germany (17:00, BBC), Portugal v Ghana (17:00, BBC)

    (All times are British Summer Time)
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  3. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    Some info that may not have been widely reported outside Brazil.

    Some of the teams, Germany and the USA (two names I remember) have said their accommodation and training facilities are not good enough and have started work on building alternative sites.

    The police and politicians are "expecting widespread civil unrest" and have declared "we will deal with these in a robust manor" and have trained around 130,000 extra riot troops (prompting the next point). The street demonstrations during the confederation cup where the largest in Brazil for a generation, the expectation amongst both police and demonstrators is that this year will be twice as big.

    Many of the groups and individuals who signed up to support the world cup to assist with translating, marshalling and helping out directing crowds etc have pulled out sighting "policing of demonstration" as the biggest concern.

    The Government advice being given-out to Brazilian fans about how to get from match to match was tested, it was found that some of the roads are still not build, some other have not been started and other routes just didn't work.

    At least 5 stadiums are still will behind in construction with the city of Curitiba being told "you are to far behind and now it is to late we are going somewhere else", only having to change their minds as they couldn't find anywhere else, will Curitiba be finished?

    The number of workers now being killed or seriously injured on these projects is crazy and union members are calling for action, but union officials are refusing to hold meetings and frustrating workers attempts to take direct action (many officials are accused of excepting bribes to turn a blind eye).

    Many of the infrastructure projects, such as airports, underground rail, roads, power stations etc are still not finished and the people of Brazil are fed-up about more and more money being pumped into these projects.

    Brazil's aviation authority has allocated more than 2,000 extra flights to their capacity, but the airlines say "we don't have the airplanes, we need government money to lease them as we don't know if we can fill them".

    The "pacification programme" (policing the favelas) that had the support of many residents, no-longer has their support, just behind and above the England team hotel is the favela "Rocinha" a stronghold of the street gang "Comando Vermelho" who say they will kill one police for every member of the gang that is killed by police. It is claimed they have weapons that could easily reach the England teams hotel.
  4. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    The political reaction (this and the law stuff below is C&P from elsewhere) :)

    On December 20, 2013, Brazil’s Defense Ministry published a manual entitled “How to Guarantee Law and Order.” It encourages using military action to ensure “public security.” It also lists individuals, groups, organizations, and movements considered "opposing forces”, highlighting those whose actions violate "public order or public security.” This unprecedented document, along with impending legislation, seeks to contain and neutralize any protests or expressions of democratic discontent around the World Cup. Protesters are equated with criminals, marginalizing them and denying their rights as citizens. Such was the case of the first demonstrations that took place in different cities in Brazil during January 2014. The military police arrested more than 143 people and used extreme violence against demonstrators.

    The new manual gives police further power to invoke the three branches of the Armed Forces through a Presidential order which can be called for by state governments at any time. Its goal is to "provide security to facilities, equipment, and personnel involved or participating in major events."

    Along with the military concept of “the enemy,” another conservative concept has been recycled from the era of the Brazilian military dictatorship, that of “the threat.” During the dictatorship, the concept of “the threat” was used to justify the persecution, repression, and harassment of activists and social justice organizers, not unlike the United States government´s labeling and subsequent persecution of alleged “terrorists.” According to the manual, “the threat” is characterized by acts or attempted acts committed by the aforementioned “opposing forces”, or by the general population that “potentially compromise the preservation of public order or the safety of persons and property.”

    This idea of fighting an enemy or conquering a threat in the name of preserving public order is a convenient way to justify the series of laws, regulations, and rules which have been created in the three years following Brazil’s acceptance as host city for the 2014 World Cup. These laws make the 12 host cities (where the games will be played) into “exceptional territories for the free enjoyment of FIFA and its sponsors.” This framework of laws, which in many cases nullifies the Brazilian Constitution, was built unilaterally and without the input of social movements.

    "There’s no doubt that the targets of the manual are protesters of the World Cup. All spheres of government are making sure that the World Cup takes place and, if possible, the world doesn’t see any protests,” says Luana Xavier Pinto Coelho, representative of the National Urban Reform Forum which a body of social movements fighting for the rights of citizens and for the reclamation of public space. She also warns that, "The freedom to express yourself is part of a democracy and it can’t be compromised. Increased police repression is a historic setback to freedom in this country, and in spite of it, collectives and groups will continue going out to the streets.”
  5. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    Some worrying new laws

    Anti-terrorism Law:
    Within these measures that have been taken around the World Cup, the most pressing matter is a bill which is currently in an advanced stage in Congress and which would create the crime of terrorism in Brazil. Its text defines terrorism as “causing or spreading terror and panic affecting life, physical integrity, health, or liberty of citizens.” The problem is that this definition of terrorism is vague and can be embedded into any accusation. For example, a protest outside a stadium where a game will be taking place could be considered to generate "widespread panic.”

    The application of anti-terrorist laws in Latin America has been dubious. In Chile, for example, the country’s anti-terrorism law has been used to criminalize social movements, such as that of the Mapuche indigenous group. "Brazil is a country with no history of terrorist acts, and in principle, criminal legislation could lead to the excessive use of force during street clashes. It’s difficult to understand, therefore, why there’s the need to criminalize conduct that’s not part of the Brazilian reality. The only reason why the bill has moved quickly through Congress is this interest to apply such a law during the World Cup,” said Pinto Coelho. "The state of São Paulo, for example, has created an exclusive police force to police the World Cup and a special counter-terrorism force. If we don’t have terrorism in the country, towards whom is this apparatus directed?”

    Senator Romero Juca (PMDB-RR), Rapporteur of the Joint Committee on Legislation and Regulatory Devices of the Constitution (a group composed of senators and congressmen), admits that Congress will try to make sure the legislation is passed before the start of the World Cup on June 12. He argues that the country needs this security in order to host thousands of tourists during the event.

    Under this law, anyone convicted of terrorism could get sentences ranging from 15 to 30 years in prison. Additionally, terrorism would be a crime in which the accused could be held without bail and without the possibility of amnesty or pardon. The bill will be placed on the Senate’s agenda in February and afterwards passed on to the House of Representatives.

    Criminalizing Assembly
    Another modification in the criminal law is to change the crime of gang affiliation (through Law 12.280/2013) to the charge of “criminal conspiracy”, which would be easier to apply against protestors. It makes it easier to equate the act of assembly with crime. For Argemiro de Almeida, a member of the National Coordination of Popular Committees for the World Cup (Ancop), "During the huge protests in June, the government showed that it wasn’t ready - and maybe still isn’t - to deal with political demonstrations. It erred on several occasions in several cities. This contributed to an increase in uncontrolled violence. Police presence prompted more violence. The increased militarization that we’re seeing is not the solution. "

    World Cup Economy
    The World Cup General Law (Law 12.663 of 2012) is the main legal framework that is responsible for giving FIFA and its associates a temporary monopoly on Brazil’s economy. The law anticipates “exceptional crimes” which will only be relevant until December 31, 2014. These include: Misuse of Official Symbols; Ambush Marketing by Association; and Ambush Marketing by Intrusion. It also provides for the creation of special courts to rule on lawsuits regarding the World Cup. Additionally, the law protects FIFA from any procedural expenses, while Brazilian citizens are left to foot the bill.
    Furthermore, during the Confederations Cup last year a judicial precedent was set to ban demonstrations for the 2014 World Cup. The court of the state of Minas Gerais also banned demonstrations during the Confederations Cup.

    Judicial Exceptions for FIFA
    The World Cup General Law suspends Brazilian laws which guarantee citizens’ freedom of movement, repeals a law prohibiting the sale of alcoholic beverages in stadiums, and restricts workers’ rights to strike. In addition, FIFA has been assured exclusive rights to advertisement, sale, and distribution of products within a radius of two kilometers around the stadiums.

    "While soccer stadiums are being massively transferred to private management through concession contracts, street vendors and public markets will be prohibited in these areas, to make way for franchises like McDonald’s [one of the sponsors of the World Cup]” said Pinto Coelho. The law provides for the automatic granting of entry visas and work permits to anyone FIFA chooses and to anyone with tickets. With this provision, Brazil forfeits its power to control foreigners entering the country. FIFA and its associates are also granted tax breaks through the law. That is, FIFA and its sponsors do not need to pay federal taxes and import fees, and are also exempt from payroll taxes.

    "The Brazilian government has accepted, with little resistance, all that FIFA has asked for, including regulations that defy national law and the Constitution, an affront to Brazil’s sovereignty. Representatives from FIFA in Brazil are received with Head of State honors. Additionally, FIFA has criticized Brazil’s infrastructure, but hasn’t invested a penny in the country. Instead, the Brazilian government has given it tax exemptions,” added Pinto Coelho. “A successful international event would project a certain image of the country to the world - an image of progress and development. This is what Brazil wanted so badly in 2007. I believe the government will do everything to make this image a reality. But the world will also pay attention to the peoples’ criticism of the World Cup."

    In a statement, ANCOP also criticized the government's actions and characterized their position as political allegiance: “The General Law of the World Cup is a response to FIFA’s demands. The argument that the Brazilian government made these decisions alone is unacceptable because the government has no authority to make international agreements without the Legislature. This is in direct opposition to our Constitution and laws. In the name of business and profits, we sense political favoritism towards FIFA, which harms our sovereignty, our domestic legislation, and our national interests."

    The Marketing of Cities
    Citizens are preparing to present illustrious images of their cities to the entire world as they play the part of proud hosts to FIFA. This is part of the marketing of these cities, and seen as necessary to attract investments. "With this marketing, there began a broad process of hyper-regulation in cities in order to inhibit or prevent certain uses of public space,” said Pinto Coelho. “This includes a growing intolerance of itinerant workers, those who sell goods on the street, the homeless, street artists, etc."
  6. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    Not long to go... Time to open up a World Cup 2014 forum?
    Im starting to make dates for the games. Saturday 14th June at 11pm, England v Italy, thats going to be fun. 11pm Saturday night a perfect time for a big game like this

    England fixtures
    Saturday 14 June: England v Italy (23:00, BBC)

    Thursday 19 June: England v Uruguay (20:00, ITV)

    Tuesday 24 June: England v Costa Rica (17:00, ITV)
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  7. Balbi

    Balbi Hey, Dean Yager!

    That Italy game was originally 02:00 :D Mental.
  8. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Reminds me to book that afternoon off work ;)
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  9. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    I'm a little confused about the time difference, I read on the BBC site ""Playing at 21:00 in Manaus is clearly helpful from our side and from a football point of view". In Brazil the clocks do change but not all over the country and I am sure that Manaus does not change it clock at all, in the UK they do change clock and I thought it was 3 or sometimes 4 hours difference, I don't think it is ever just 2 hours.

    So how can the match only be two hours later in the UK as there is never a two hour difference :confused:.

    It will also be very hot, around 28C at 8 or 9PM and humidity will be over 50%

    Brazilian league games played in the North and NE of Brazil normally start 11pm depending on the time of year, matches in the south are played earlier if it is winter.
  10. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member


    There are still problems at Estadio Beira-Rio in Porto Alegre where many of the temporary structures are still not in place. Many of the complaints around Brazil are about these temporary structures costing millions of B$ and will just be removed after the cup, Sao Paulo and Curtiba stadiums will be finished in May, it is hoped.

    The new terminal at the airport in Manaus is not finished and there are still problems at Fortaleza and Sao Paulo airports.

    The price of accommodation seems to have gone up by a factor of 10 in some places

    The "pacification of the favelas" program in Rio has turned into a military occupation of the favelas by the Polícia Militar
  11. Onket

    Onket Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]

    If things carry on the way they currently are, I should be working in London on both of these days. Is it too early to talk about possible places to watch?
  12. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    that is weird
    i think time difference is minus 3 hrs right now, and clocks in UK are going forward this weekend, so i think it should go up to 4hrs difference - unless they go back to make it 2hrs difference.

    Im confused
  13. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    They go forward in the UK I believe making it a 4 hour difference so I am also confused. If they are playing at 5pm in Manaus (9pm uk) it will be fucking hard going, a Brazilian team wouldn't dream of playing at that time with the heat and humidity.

    When they change the clocks in Brazil it is a nightmare, as many places just don't change so government offices open later, TV is all 1 hour different in some parts, banks decide on the day when they will open etc. Its Brazil :)

    Schools are closed for the world cup and so are a number of government offices, the country will really close down for the day when Brazil play, it always does, no buses, banks, shops or taxi's the only places open selling stuff are the bars.
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  14. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    re Heat: England have no chance. Im already feeling bored of the commentators complaining about the heat and humidity and we havent even started yet.

    Spain (8/1) and Portugal (33/1) might be worth a bet (each way)... Italy's (25/1) dont run around too much/one touch style will suit the conditions too. I won money on Italy when they won in 2006 <Italy are always capable in a tournament like this, though I get the feeling there arent as many amazing Italian players around at the moment compared to years gone by - or at least none seem to play outside of Italy.

    Argentina and Brazil blatant favourites on atmospheric conditions alone...
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2014
  15. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    The joke around Latin America at the moment is: Brazilians will only work three months this year, thanks to the Carnival, World Cup, elections :)

    If it is an Argentina / Brazil final it will be amazing, it the same as England / Germany but with lots of very excited people talking with their hands :)

    If Argentina were to beat Brazil in the final there will be a change of President in October, they may be if the old bill get to handy with the demonstrations that are sure to happen.
  16. souljacker

    souljacker A bit of skullduggery

    We need the forum opening asap. I've spoken to 5 different people today who have bought sticker books already. editor !
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  17. Onket

    Onket Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]

    :D Is this true?
  18. souljacker

    souljacker A bit of skullduggery

    Yep. And two of those were in their 40's. :D
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  19. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Not what they want but what is good for them

    I would rate Italy higher than 25/1 - got to be worth one of them free bets- just skimming through the link to see how many accounts I can open to get the best arbitrage opportunities on games
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  20. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    definitely thats an attractive bet
  21. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    last time i checked football stickers are £1 a go - 6 in a pack still? - to fill an album is going to cost, what £100 minimum? madness!
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2014
  22. Ponyutd

    Ponyutd Greebo likes this....r.i.p.

    Another worker just died after a fall, building one of the stadia.
    How many is that now?
  23. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    England's World Cup kits have been "revealed". There was a time when I anticipated and was excited about this sort of thing :facepalm: Are they both new kits then? I thought they were on alternating two or four year cycles?



    Slightly more interesting than the kits is who's wearing them. Are they on the plane, then? Also, Rooney and Wilshere get featured with both, but Hart and Gerrard (our captain) only wearing the home kit :confused:
  24. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    An office worker writes: why are there so many accidents/deaths? What procedures and/or equipment aren't being used, presumably due to lack of expenditure and/or training?
  25. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    I've still got this year's WC in a mental box entitled 'things it's okay to enjoy' - despite this all the stuff 1%er posted earlier - in fact I'm really looking forward to it. I'll be more ambiguous about the Russia WC - and in full blown ignore mode for Qatar. Realise any kind of ranking of WCs in places with objectionable regimes is a bit random, but some of 'em can just fuck off.
  26. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Well, Russia and Qatar still have four and eight years to sort themselves out :)

  27. Onket

    Onket Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]

    I very much doubt that they will be ignored by people when they come around. It's more that that are just a long way off at the moment, surely?

    I have a cousin in Dubai so was thinking about maybe even trying to get to a game or two in Catarrh.
  28. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Up to ninety fucking quid for a shirt :facepalm:
  29. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Yeah, I saw that afterwards. Fucking ludicrous!

    Of course, that's for the Match shirt. The Stadium shirt is a mere £60 :facepalm:
  30. Epico

    Epico wordsmiff

    Greedy Nike bastards.

    They'll be £10 by mid June.
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