Working class not clever enough for political power

[ViolentPanda]

I quite like television, personally.

In fact, I'd even go as far to say that I'd rather have BBC4 and UKTV History than cholera.

To be fair I'd rather have a dental extraction and root canal work without anaesthetic than cholera.

I'd even rather bum Elton John than have cholera.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes, though Paisley's a "Dr." as much as the Pope's a Muslim.

Twas why I put the quotation marks around Dr.
I'm not a fan of religion at the best of times, but big-mouthed bigots of the ilk of Paisley fuck me right off.

Unfortunately 'my' MP is one of Paisley's most devoted minions, and, because he thinks he has a safe seat, he can ignore anything that doesn't suit his tiny view of the universe [ie concerning things happening outside NI]

What's depressing is that when people like that get public office you know that a majority of people in your constituency voted for them, which makes you worry you're surrounded by loons.

He doesn't give a damn about war crimes, Palestine, Trident missiles and troop return from Iraq - to mention just a few.

Probably thinks his only job is backing up "Big Ian".

 

[ZAMB]

What's depressing is that when people like that get public office you know that a majority of people in your constituency voted for them, which makes you worry you're surrounded by loons.

I doubt if it was a 'conscious' majority - more that he terrifies people so much about what 'might' happen if other parties get in that they go to the polls like zombies without thinking about what they're doing. It drives me nuts - how can anyone watch those bigoted bastards yelling and preening themselves on TV and then go out and vote for them. Sort of 'politics without engaging your brain' - a bit like the USA.

Years ago [I think it was made illegal or something] Paisley used to take out a big ad. for his church in the local free papers - but it didn't look like an ad. - unless you looked closely, more like one of his sermons of hate printed as an article.

Well we're coming up to the 'glorious 12th' again and I can hear the bloody bands practicing in the distance as I write this. Fortunately the parade don't come anywhere near where I live though.

 

[kyser_soze]

I think that you're missing the point. The institutions that working class people set up and fought for have been coopted, they're part of the establishment now. Just look at trade union bureaucracy for an example. Without these institutions under our control, we're pretty much back to square one, albiet a more comfortable square one without the cholera.

Then do it again. The need is quite clearly there, the options are clear - either clear out the coopted unions and strip out their bureaucracies or start from scratch again.

I don't think I'm missing the point - if things are so bad where is the new workers movement? The point, quite clearly is nothing to do with whether or not the w/c are 'clever' enough for political power, it's whether or not they can be bothered to go through the same process of self-improvement as their Victorian forebears.

There are a billion and one 'reasons' why there isn't a new w/c movement - long hours for those who work, an education system that 'fails' the w/c, a mass consumer environment, TV...this opposed to cholera, typhoid, NO schools, no housing whatsoever and all the other privations the Victorian W/C had to deal with...not really a competition is it?

Call centre worker £25K! Since when and where?

Well one of my flatmates will be clearing £25K this year - he works for one of the banks flogging insurance and loan policies so this includes his bonus.

But my point is even more valid when talking about CC workers who earn even less - this is the new w/c and where the next TU movement will come from (same goes for all those poles currently 'stealing our jobs') and it's up to the left to make itself an attractive proposition again. And yet how many of thems see themselves as the same 'working class' as their parents and grandparents? How many in the modern left see them as the spiritual heirs to the cotton mill and mineworkers and steelworkers and are engaging them as such?

 

[Hanoipete]

look tbaldwin is an embittered loser. scary immigrants mean he has no job, is left to post on the internet all day so he makes up schoolboy phrases like liberal supremacism and types them in capitals heheheheh. he has no views of his own, only bitterness and a wildly out of control ego. he obviously has a history of mental problems.

me i'd just round up the BNP (and their voters after giving them a chance to back off) and hang them publically round the M25. a liberal and supreme use of rope i'd say...kill em all...clean out the traitors and the scum.

 

[tbaldwin]

look tbaldwin is an embittered loser. scary immigrants mean he has no job, is left to post on the internet all day so he makes up schoolboy phrases like liberal supremacism and types them in capitals heheheheh. he has no views of his own, only bitterness and a wildly out of control ego. he obviously has a history of mental problems.

me i'd just round up the BNP (and their voters after giving them a chance to back off) and hang them publically round the M25. a liberal and supreme use of rope i'd say...kill em all...clean out the traitors and the scum.

HP... Ive got a job...And im not scared of immigrants....My dad was one.....Your assumptions are quite amusing but just show your arrogance and ignorance...Never a good combination....

 

[northernhord]

Historically working class people have been denied access to education, the media and just about everything else that doesnt involve maintaining rich peoples power and prestige, you talk about the BNP in relation to people from my social background, it might be an idea to keep in mind which social class were involved in the construction of Race theories that the BNP use to back up their positions and views.
You dont for a minute think that Race theorists went to state Schools, oh sorry I forgot this was in an era where only the middle and upper classes were educated I do beg your pardon.
Imagine knowing that social group started off the evil of Eurpean supremicist thought, pride of yourself for your achievement?
Just look at what youv'e created with your cleverness.

I think your views in this particular area stink to the high heavens

 

[thought]

And I thought we lived in a classless society

 

[Super Mare]

Years ago [I think it was made illegal or something] Paisley used to take out a big ad. for his church in the local free papers - but it didn't look like an ad. - unless you looked closely, more like one of his sermons of hate printed as an article.

I don't think it's illegal. In the south-west of England there's a small chain of stores owned by a fella called Bruce Robertson, who's an avid right-wing middle-Englander who endorses UKIP every week in local rags with various articles set against a full-page backdrop of special offers available in his shops.

 

[ZAMB]

I don't think it's illegal. In the south-west of England there's a small chain of stores owned by a fella called Bruce Robertson, who's an avid right-wing middle-Englander who endorses UKIP every week in local rags with various articles set against a full-page backdrop of special offers available in his shops.

Oh, I thought we now had a law against inciting religious hatred and bigotry.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh, I thought we now had a law against inciting religious hatred and bigotry.

We do.

You can promote religious stuff as long as it doesn't outrage public decency or contravene any laws on promoting hate etc.

Given that "Big Ian" can't open his cowcunt-like gob without spewing bigotry, I'm going to presume he can't write advertising copy without going batshit either!

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't think it's illegal. In the south-west of England there's a small chain of stores owned by a fella called Bruce Robertson, who's an avid right-wing middle-Englander who endorses UKIP every week in local rags with various articles set against a full-page backdrop of special offers available in his shops.

I reckon endorsing UKIP is more eccentric than illegal.

 

[Super Mare]

Oh, I thought we now had a law against inciting religious hatred and bigotry.

Sorry - slightly missed your point, originally. Must remember that discussions usually have a context, and it helps if this is at least half-observed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sorry - slightly missed your point, originally. Must remember that discussions usually have a context, and it helps if this is at least half-observed.

 

[ZAMB]

Sorry - slightly missed your point, originally. Must remember that discussions usually have a context, and it helps if this is at least half-observed.

Duh! What context did I fail to observe?

 

[Super Mare]

Duh! What context did I fail to observe?

Me - yer nana, not you!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Me - yer nana, not you!

Every time I look at your username I keep thinking "I bet it's that bastard Lord Archer of Weston Super Mare", but I've decided you can't be, as you've displayed a sense of humour!

 

[Super Mare]

Every time I look at your username I keep thinking "I bet it's that bastard Lord Archer of Weston Super Mare", but I've decided you can't be, as you've displayed a sense of humour!

Nah, only graced the mudflats of WSM once or twice, and I haven't got the attention span to churn out books like that slimy toad - even such fucking dire ones. Some cheeky bastard once said that I looked like Lord Edmund Blackadder though - but that was before I lamped on about forty stone (and had some strong words with my hairdresser).

Incidentally, and I do apologise in advance for momentarily veering off the thread, I was watching a top 50 of politically incorrect tv shows last night on Sky One, and I was amazed watching Larry Grayson for the first time in many years who, despite not looking anything like him, has EXACTLY the same mannerisms and facial expressions / minor contortions as Tony Blair. It's a truly startling likeness. If you've got nothing better to do check it out - and remember you heard it here first.

Sorry, back to the thread...

 

[treelover]

mmm, seperated at birth, not sure?

Larry Grayson

Tony Blair

 

[John Grean]

I know this sounds provocative but i was thinking about what someone had said about how working class people were denied access to the media. Arew orking class people denied access to the media because they're not articulate rather than snobbery. Moreover is there a place for working class people in the top echelons of politics. if you take a party like the BNP, it's breakthrough isn't going to come until it connects with middle and upper class supporters. At present much of the propaganda against it is directed at working class activist base- making fun of them for not being up to the job of councillors or for dealing in dodgy goods etc.The few working class representatives that have been included in new labour show that working class people struggle to inspire the confidence of the electorate. I wonder with john Prescott in mind how many working class people genuinely have the ability for politics. Surely he belongs stewarding bars in a ship not running a government department. You've got your Arthur Scargill a spectatular failure, your dennis skinner- a comedian and john major famously not very good.The future doesn't belong to the working class and never will do because they aren't clever enough.

Yes , you're right!

Shit thick working class scum like yourself don't deserve any political power!

You express moronic comments like this if you are allowed democracy.

"Democracy inevitably leads to Marxism". Adolf Hitler.