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Workers.org.uk article on class and immigration

durruti02 said:
really??


" ..But Dr Hoskins said: "This is very detailed, qualitative report that actually comes out of the communities.

"This is not white people saying this. This has actually comes from the communities authored by people in the community and that really stymies the racist line." He added: "We are dealing with real cases here. When you actually talk to them, these are hard and fast facts.."

if i said that the english colonialists had wiped out tasmanians, that white farmers had wiped out patagoinan aboriginals, or that germans had committed holocaust against jews and roma, or that white 'americans' had tried to wipe out native 'americans' you ( and i ) would be happy to agree .. but suggest that ( a tiny %) of africans do this (with much much evidence) and its all lies:rolleyes:
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what is that quote meant to be evidence of? except evidence that some people believe it happens.

There has not been a single documented case of such ritualistic murders in this country, not one. you are being idiotically gullible in an attempt to find anyone to support your fears over immigration.
 
belboid said:
most such reports in this country are down to one woman - a Valerie Sinason - who has made quite a succesful career out of claiming she has treated between 2&300 such 'victims' - not one of which has ever been substantiated. the police, in relation to the vile Substandard article (great source you have there) explicitly denied they had found any evidence of such practises whatsoever. Most are utterly debunked - see this weeks Private Eye & similarly eye's passim.

On this one you really are being taken in by racist fuckwits here durutti.
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i would like to believe this is true .. i would gladly like to be shown i have been taken in by lies on this subject .. :(

so what did the police report (NOT evening standard report say then?)

nowt on www.eye .. i'll buy this weeks

tbh in this i get very angry about it .. i have had a go at UKCG scum about VC a few times ( who by the way are run WHITE brazilians) .. this relegious superstition is a very powerfull force in many communities .. where is the opposition to it?

.. what interests me is i am happy to belive white scum will do shit like this weras youare not prepared to believe black scum would do shit like this
 
belboid said:
what is that quote meant to be evidence of? except evidence that some people believe it happens.

There has not been a single documented case of such ritualistic murders in this country, not one. you are being idiotically gullible in an attempt to find anyone to support your fears over immigration.
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maybe ( see above ) .. but these are progressive fears from secular w/c people in this country who drove out relegion and superstition from their country and see cases like VC ..

you should hear the shite my dad was brought up on .. in south wales every ten years a poor mad girl would see jesus and whole valleys would good mad praying for weeks on end till they got tired

you bring in the racial thing again to derial the immigration debate but as always it is not relevant ..
 
i dont know of any evidence of white people carrying out such 'ritual killings' either. that's what i'm saying doesnt go on, so please dont try and put other words into my mouth in an attempt to defend yourself. i am well aware that black people have carried out hundreds and thousands of atrocities as well. Rwanda most certainly happened. But that doesnt mean i will believe any old shit. There was no ritual abuse by white people in the Orkneys or Rochdale either.

i am intrigued and saddened as to why you will believe and repeat any old shite if you think it backs up some other view of yours.
 
durruti02 said:
maybe ( see above ) .. but these are progressive fears from secular w/c people in this country who drove out relegion and superstition from their country and see cases like VC ..

you should hear the shite my dad was brought up on .. in south wales every ten years a poor mad girl would see jesus and whole valleys would good mad praying for weeks on end till they got tired

you bring in the racial thing again to derial the immigration debate but as always it is not relevant ..
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they are not progressive fears if they are coming from a bunch of fuckwits desperate to stir up some other kind of religious belief to 'counter' these 'evil practises'. You're being gullible again.

I didn't bring 'the racial thing again' - its there in the original post, its what started of this turn of the discussion. So, I'd be very gratreful if you didnt make such accusations as a way to try and excuse your mindless gullibility.
 
belboid said:
i dont know of any evidence of white people carrying out such 'ritual killings' either. that's what i'm saying doesnt go on, so please dont try and put other words into my mouth in an attempt to defend yourself. i am well aware that black people have carried out hundreds and thousands of atrocities as well. Rwanda most certainly happened. But that doesnt mean i will believe any old shit. There was no ritual abuse by white people in the Orkneys or Rochdale either.

i am intrigued and saddened as to why you will believe and repeat any old shite if you think it backs up some other view of yours.
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mate .. no not whites doing ritual killing .. holocaust / genocide ..

i agree i did not believe the orkney/rochdale stuff either and so i am very happy to be proved wrong on the african stuff

the differrence seesm to be the is a lot of evidence from S.africa and NIgeria and elsewhere regarding superstition etc and ritual killings

is this not true too?

and following the VC case i am not particularly disposed to thinking african church goers that are into magic could NOT do shit like this
 
belboid said:
they are not progressive fears if they are coming from a bunch of fuckwits desperate to stir up some other kind of religious belief to 'counter' these 'evil practises'. You're being gullible again.

I didn't bring 'the racial thing again' - its there in the original post, its what started of this turn of the discussion. So, I'd be very gratreful if you didnt make such accusations as a way to try and excuse your mindless gullibility.
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sorry right about op .. forgot that was the thread :)

but no i do disagree about forst para .. CPMLGB or whatever are not racist fuckwits whatver else they may be AND yes there are many many people who rightly champion the progressive nature of this country ( howvere unaware they may be of its reactionary content) and fund it odd that we now have honour killings magic ritrual shit that we saw off many decades ago
 
durruti02 said:
mate .. no not whites doing ritual killing .. holocaust / genocide ..

i agree i did not believe the orkney/rochdale stuff either and so i am very happy to be proved wrong on the african stuff

the differrence seesm to be the is a lot of evidence from S.africa and NIgeria and elsewhere regarding superstition etc and ritual killings

is this not true too?

and following the VC case i am not particularly disposed to thinking african church goers that are into magic could NOT do shit like this
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So a few poorly documented possible cases are the reason for slamming the door on all immigrants from Africa because they might be into ritualistic killing.
And you can't see how that's racist. Shit - stick Marxist-Leninist in front of any old crap and you lot will swallow it.

Ever heard of independent thought? It's quite liberating, you should try it sometime.
 
trashpony said:
So a few poorly documented possible cases are the reason for slamming the door on all immigrants from Africa because they might be into ritualistic killing.
And you can't see how that's racist. Shit - stick Marxist-Leninist in front of any old crap and you lot will swallow it.

Ever heard of independent thought? It's quite liberating, you should try it sometime.
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no? did i say that??? :D :rolleyes:

READ THE THREADS!!;)
 
Donna Ferentes said:
Or don't.
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here we go again .. yes sadly we do .. very very few but yes they do exist as does female circumcision etc etc etc

does it compare to the holocaust or genocide or slave trading and slavery practised against non europeans , by europeans? .. i doubt it

it seems racist that you do not believe africans could do these things or asians honour killings but you believe whites do evil
 
trashpony said:
I've read this thread. I still think you're stupid and gullible. :)
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i may be in this area .. indeed i actually hope i am .. :(

but i really need someone to disprove the whole magic/ witchdoctors/supertsition thing in some african relegions ( a la VC) and that these killings do NOT go on in s.africa re AIDS and nigeria

and therefore that it could NOT have come to these islands

please someone do that ..


p.s. i meant all the immigration threads .. i have NOT argued aginst immigration especially not th eidea ther are all witchdoctors etc .. my whole thrust has been that currently neo liberals are USING immigration againstthe w/c and thatthe solution is to confrontthebosses on this as in all things
 
I honestly cannot believe anyone here is defending this racist shite with "oh well they're not saying all Africans are like that".
 
FridgeMagnet said:
I honestly cannot believe anyone here is defending this racist shite with "oh well they're not saying all Africans are like that".
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But it's published on the Communist Party website - it can't possibly be racist!
 
trashpony said:
But it's published on the Communist Party website - it can't possibly be racist!
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I am absolutely sick of this shite.......

all the usual suspects seem to throw there towel in with pie in the sky solutions wheras there is no avalable solution.

there is no problem with immigration if wage structure is upheld.


get it yet?

fight for the leglisation to uphold existing wage agreements.

plain and fucking simple.
 
snadge said:
I am absolutely sick of this shite.......

all the usual suspects seem to throw there towel in with pie in the sky solutions wheras there is no avalable solution.

there is no problem with immigration if wage structure is upheld.


get it yet?

fight for the leglisation to uphold existing wage agreements.

plain and fucking simple.
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Is that aimed at me? :confused:
 
It would seem that ritual murder does exist to the extent that the SA government has a Police unit tasked with dealing with it and other similar crimes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1938580.stm

Given the mobility of people in the modern world and the fact that many recent immigrants seem to keep their cultures and beliefs it would seem likely that there are some people in Britain who would follow this practice if given the opportunity. I am not sure what would constitute actual evidence for the denizens of this board as we would hardly accept, by way of example, a successful state prosecution as being anything but a politicaly motivated show trial. Could we?

It would be an interesting sceanrio to consider the secret police of a future CPB (M-L) government (:eek: ) chasing ritual occult murderers down the back streets of Ealing. I would love to see the TV series.
 
Go & Bash Some Sense Into Yourself

SuburbanCasual said:
Oh please comparing socialists who come up with sound criticisms of mass immigration to die hard nazis like Tyndall is so last week :D

Workers.org.uk is not saying that all Africans are like that, only some! That is undeniably true.
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Its enforcing a general racist steriotype.
Most Right Wing Charismatic/Evangelical Churches are set up and predominantely sponsored by America. More like us (the west) exporting these reactionary and deadly ideas. For instance opposing the distribution of birth control to protect people from AIDS and allowing people to control the amount of children that they have.

As for abuse and ritual murder how about looking at abuse of children by Catholic Priests, or the way the the Freemasons were involved in Sexual abuse in North Wales.
 
belboid said:
most such reports in this country are down to one woman - a Valerie Sinason - who has made quite a succesful career out of claiming she has treated between 2&300 such 'victims' - not one of which has ever been substantiated. the police, in relation to the vile Substandard article (great source you have there) explicitly denied they had found any evidence of such practises whatsoever. Most are utterly debunked - see this weeks Private Eye & similarly eye's passim.

On this one you really are being taken in by racist fuckwits here durutti.
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yes very good article in Eye .. couple of points though .. it does actually says that re the boy in the thames " Maybe the murder involved some form of horrific ritual" .. also the article is about a right wing satanic panic which i agree is bollox

in terms of hard facts i accept that i have little to back my suspicions, based on daily seeing churches and leaflets talking of excorcisms and devils, and i accept that i therefore need to be suspicious that my genuine motives are not being fanned by reactionary christian shit

however the eye article also did cover the most recent report by the DfES Child Abuse Linked to Accusations Of Possession etc The author came up with 38 cases involving 47 children of mainly african but also white who had been hurt and abused during exorcism .. the link was evangelical churches .. and presumably the wilder ones that belive in spirits and shit that inhabite the area i live in ..

would also be interesting to see and have analyised the MET report that was pulled after it was leaked ..

and nigel if whites can do child abuse than blacks can too ..

and i repeat my ( honest) question .. are stories of nigeria and killings all lies too?
 
Nigel said:
Its enforcing a general racist steriotype.
Most Right Wing Charismatic/Evangelical Churches are set up and predominantely sponsored by America. More like us (the west) exporting these reactionary and deadly ideas. For instance opposing the distribution of birth control to protect people from AIDS and allowing people to control the amount of children that they have.

As for abuse and ritual murder how about looking at abuse of children by Catholic Priests, or the way the the Freemasons were involved in Sexual abuse in North Wales.
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This is an argument for opposing reactionary churches - full stop, whatever or wherever they originate.
 
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