It's almost as if you can be critical of the society that we live in without being a totally insane fuckwit who believes that the world is run by secret coalitions of (Jewish?) bankers.
Imagine that.
Worker fired for union organising - call for support 12th of September
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Imagine that.
So the question is why was he sacked.
If he was dumped for his union activities only then the management have a problem.
If he was causing general problems or his work record was poor them they were right to get rid.
Lets be honest the idea of a business is to make a buck and not give some wannabe who can't make it in the world honestly a back door way to be a boss.
Most of lefty union types I've ever met were just out to try for a bit of petty power and were the sort to be on t' commiteeeee of the WMC.
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
Yeah, cos its that simple. Nice to see your touting the bosses line without much in the way of information.
But the only info we have from the bloke's side is the word of a poster.
Just trying to say that there may be another side to the case.
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
Last time I checked the working class wasn't all that exclusive.
cesare
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The other side sacked him. Fairly or unfairly. Procedurally compliant or not. In any event - they decided. They exercised their power over his livelihood and dismissed him. He doesn't agree and disputes what they have done. This thread is about his disagreement and support for that.
Your putative attempt to support the hard done by employer seems a trifle de trop in context and more like a thinly disguised dig at worker organisation.
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out on the kocker
Or, to put it in a way slightly less redolent of an eighteenth century novel, "a cunt's trick."
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Or, to put it in a way slightly less redolent of an eighteenth century novel, "a cunt's trick."
He might attempt to cut a wheedle but he's doing it much too brown imo.
Not "thinly disguised" at all.
I believe that unions are far too powerful and that they create too many problems for industry. My posts are absolutely a dig at union power.
"They exercised their power over his livelihood and dismissed him"
For that read they exercised their power to run their business without an admitted trouble maker.
The workers are there to help make money for a business. The business isn't there for the workers.
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
Your clearly struggling with this objective thing
Fixed
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
At its best in this particular western capitalist day and age, the business/worker relationship is a symbiotic one - business needs well motivated and willing workers to thrive, and workers need work that is paid a decent wage and conditions in exchange for their labour.
The trouble is that not all businesses view it that way. Some of them have the same attitude as you i.e. "The workers are there to help make money for a business. The business isn't there for the workers". This attitude often leads to industrial unrest ... the workers may need the job in order to survive, but they're not going to appreciate having that power imbalance & any attendant problems with poor pay and conditions shoved down their throat. This results in resentful workers. That natural and understandable resentment may manifest in a number of ways, and most of those won't contribute to a business thriving.
Some businesses have it sussed to a greater or lesser degree. If you treat people reasonably; most times they will come in, do their job, and the business will rake off the profit. And the better the workers are treated, the more likely it is that they will cheerfully get on with that huge proportion of time that is their working life, even if they occasionally raise an eyebrow at the profit resulting from their labour that never comes their way.
But the businesses that don't have it sussed have a war of attrition on their hands - sometimes covert, sometimes overt. Worker organisation and unions are the overt aspect ... but overt unrest is easier to deal with, to the extent that these self-destruct businesses recognise that they need their workers onside.
Lol
You're forgetting, in that tiny mind of yours, who happens to do the fucking work in any given organisation. It isn't the bean-counters or the snivelling arse-lickers like yourself, is it?
The whole point of trades unionism is that the worker recognises that the only power in his or her arsenal is to withdraw labour when the greedy fuckers that you support start taking the piss.
One worker alone would be fired for it. Like what has clearly happened in this situation. When workers are organised they don't get fired for things like that because otherwise everyone walks through the gate. Hope that helps.
xFixed
Very true so that is just another reason that they should have fuck all to do with the running of a business.
Lol
You're forgetting, in that tiny mind of yours, who happens to do the fucking work in any given organisation. It isn't the bean-counters or the snivelling arse-lickers like yourself, is it?
The whole point of trades unionism is that the worker recognises that the only power in his or her arsenal is to withdraw labour when the greedy fuckers that you support start taking the piss.
One worker alone would be fired for it. Like what has clearly happened in this situation. When workers are organised they don't get fired for things like that because otherwise everyone walks through the gate. Hope that helps.
Yes the workers are there to work. That's what they get paid for.
The fact that most want more money is evidence that capitalism is the right way to go.
After all we start a business to make more money that we could working for others. All that workers demanding higher wages shows is that they want the same but without bothering with the risk that we take.
Want to dictate your own wages and conditions?
Get off your fucking lazy arses and start your oun business. That way you will understand what gready fuckers trying to grab more cash without any of the risk or responsabilty are really like.
Unions are for failed capitalists. All the greed but without the get up and go to do something positive about it.
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
Any progress with the struggle?
Workers don't have risk or responsibility? I think you'll find they do. However, corporations take out personal responsibility for the share-holders and they just sit back and keep taking the cream off the top.
If the bosses have no moral obligation to the workers, then why should the workers accept that they have a moral obligation to the bosses. Turnabout is fair play.Yes the workers are there to work. That's what they get paid for.
The fact that most want more money is evidence that capitalism is the right way to go.
After all we start a business to make more money that we could working for others. All that workers demanding higher wages shows is that they want the same but without bothering with the risk that we take.
Want to dictate your own wages and conditions?
Get off your fucking lazy arses and start your oun business. That way you will understand what gready fuckers trying to grab more cash without any of the risk or responsabilty are really like.
Unions are for failed capitalists. All the greed but without the get up and go to do something positive about it.
I've not heard anything yet. We'll just have to wait and see what happens after the picket on Friday, I think.
I never said that the boss has no obligation to his workers but the fact is that the boss is the boss and the workers are there to help.
The workers should be provided with a fair salary paid on time and reasonable working conditions.
A fair salary depends on many things but not what the worker demands as they always demand more. A bunch of little Olivers to a man.
They have no right to fight for higher wages and if they have no right of a say in the running of the business.
If they don't like the wages or conditions they can leave to find a better place to work. Market forces will sort out the places people want to work in and so the boss will have to consider that when he lays out the terms and conditions of employment.
Same goes for this Chris bloke. We have no idea exactly what happened except for the word of one poster and he is asking a bunch of people who have nothing to do with the dispute to try to bully the employer and I suspect the other workers by trying to force them to stay away from work regardless of what they want.
Sounds like typical lefty bully boy tactics as usual.
the workers don't risk their money in trying to start or run a business.
The workers don't risk their home trying to get a job and they have the choice to work there.
The workers never need worry about the financial side of the business as if it goes under they can just sod off elsewhere while the boss has to try to pick up the pieces and see if he can still provide for his family.
All the worker has to do is turn up, do his job and fuck off home at night.
No one makes them ask for a job and they know the wages offered before they take work.
The idea of a business regardless of it being a small one man band or a massive company is to make cash and take the cream off the top.
It's not there for the workers. grow up and try to work out what the fuck would anyone try to start a business for without that.
Fucking left wing "the world owes me a favour" type bollocks.
Get off your fat arses and try it yourself before you have a go at others and you will soon change your tune.
cesare
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derf - have you bothered reading the sticky at the top of this forum?
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=81495
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=81495
Try and stop us, you pathetic little lickspittle
Try and stop us, you pathetic little lickspittle
I hadn't noticed the sticky so I'll shut up with just one last word if I may.
Sorry Ed
The above comment is about the level I general expect from lefty types.
Freedom is fine as long as it's your version of it. Anything else gets threats/abuse.
You will be happy to know that I'm about 8000 miles away at the moment so you will have to come a long way to try to punch me in the mouth for my beliefs and I don't believe that there are any re-education facilities near my place.
I see that your little show is today so enjoy the day and rest assured that South Yorkshire police are aware that you are out having fun.
A mate is a DI over there so I took the trouble to say hello to him yesterday.
So nothing illegal boys and girls. You don't want a trip to Snig hill now do you?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Nod to the previously unnoticed sticky together with smiley face for Ed (yeah, he'll be so impressed)
But then immediately going into another post about lefty types tacking on that you're doing from a safe distance.
Also that you've had a word locally with your police mates and alerted them.
All whilst you employ a child to clean your house plus try and exhort Urban people to fund her education.
Derf, I find your existence disturbing.
But then immediately going into another post about lefty types tacking on that you're doing from a safe distance.
Also that you've had a word locally with your police mates and alerted them.
All whilst you employ a child to clean your house plus try and exhort Urban people to fund her education.
Derf, I find your existence disturbing.
More a sorry to Ed than any attempt to impress.
As I said one last word so unless there is another thread on the general subject no more comments.
Ended.
the button
out on the kocker
Right, phone complaints too, if you've got the time. Just remember to keep it polite and sane, nobody wants to end up on harrassment charges, after all.
Also, derf, I wouldn't waste the energy it'd take to punch you, you sad cunt
Not that it matters, since no part of this campaign is illegal and it was already widely publicised. The feeble prick can't even grass rightA grass as well. Lovely.
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