Work Your Proper Hours?

[big footed fred]

*Except it isn't, 'cos obviously the employer is always in a stronger position, since they're the ones with control over the means of production and who direct what's to be done. The formal equality of an employment contract conceals a deeper ineqaulity in power, but setting that aside for now...

As it needs to be.
A man starts a business
A man takes all the risk
A man works for a long time and gets nothing until the business starts to produce
A man works longer hours with no overtime to keep it going
A man always has the risk of loosing the lot

Another man wanders in as an employee and wants to share the lot.
THE SECOND MAN CAN FUCK OFF - HE IS THERE TO WORK AND MAKE MONEY FOR THE BUSINESS. HE HAS NO RIGHT TO TELL THE BOSS WHAT TO DO.

 

[J77]

The hard work will allow me to enjoy a nice long holiday in Malaysia again. Just think of me wandering about that fantastic country while you are on the bus for your next shift flipping burgers. I will be gone at least a month and am hoping to be able to stay about seven weeks.

Not taking away from you work ethic, but you shouldn't assume that people who don't work 80+ hours a week flip burgers, or get paid as if they do

 

[big footed fred]

They don't ?

 

[Roadkill]

As it needs to be.
A man starts a business
A man takes all the risk
A man works for a long time and gets nothing until the business starts to produce
A man works longer hours with no overtime to keep it going
A man always has the risk of loosing the lot

Another man wanders in as an employee and wants to share the lot.
THE SECOND MAN CAN FUCK OFF - HE IS THERE TO WORK AND MAKE MONEY FOR THE BUSINESS. HE HAS NO RIGHT TO TELL THE BOSS WHAT TO DO.

Doesn't give you the right to expect people to work hours they ain't being paid for...

 

[J77]

Doesn't give you the right to expect people to work hours they ain't being paid for...

Or people to be forced to work under the threat of missing a promotion or even being sacked.

(bff - you got one of these http://www.queensawards.org.uk/business/business.html )

 

[In Bloom]

In Bloom - I work for myself so I don't have to work in a crappy McD's dump.

So you concede that you, as a boss, are in a better position that your employees?

Anyone who wants a share can fucking well do the same if they want for than a standard wage not just roll in for half a day, fuck off home early and demand profit sharing. Fuck the unions and their lazy grasping.
They only want more cash (same as capitalists) just that the lazy fuckers don't want to have to work for it first.

That's left wing bollocks for you - share this and demand that but have to do fuck all to get it. Some call it Marxism, I call it being a lazy fucker.

Plenty of smack dealers work hard too

Much of my work involves moving heavy gear or installing cable in dirty and difficult conditions. As for people I employ - Yes, they are there to make money for me. If they were there only for themselves there is no point them being there.

And how is this morally different from somebody sneaking out half an hour early and getting paid for it? You make money off the hard work of people who don't have the resources or the qualifications to start a business, it's hardly something to be proud of, you massive twat.

The long and short of things is that if you want money get off your lazy fucking arses and WORK for it.

If everybody works hard, will they all get rich? Might there be some differences in likelihood of sucess depending on class?

You really are a fucking dolt.

 

[PacificOcean]

Fuck shared wealth - get off your bastard arses and work for it.

You are Norman Tebbit and I claim my £5.

 

[Roadkill]

You really are a fucking dolt.

You've far more patience - or time to go through these things with an utter idiot - than I'll ever have!

 

[Mrs Miggins]

I've started insisting on leaving on time every day unless there's a bloody good reason and I even get paid overtime if I work it! I just figure my life is worth more than the money.

Also, the people I work for are the kind of people who will piss about all day and then come to me at 5pm telling me all the stuff they need to get sorted when they could have told me a lot earlier. Makes em more organised when they know I'm not going to hang around

 

[Yossarian]

Life's too short to work unpaid overtime - and life's *way* too short to spend a second of it working for an arsehole like BNP Fred.

 

[chieftain]

I have no problem with working late if i need to but where I work a few people seem to enjoy staying late and Im not sure they do it for any other reason than to be seen to be at work by the boss.

Its wierd and I wont do it but they seem to want to make the people who leave on time look bad for some reason, funnily enough they seem to be the people who take ages to do anything instead of just getting on with it and they also dont seem to like (or want to see) there familys or partners?

Plan your time well and go home on time you idiots

 

[Pingu]

http://www.worksmart.org.uk/downloads/9to5.php


a n y how

for me its all about give and take

if people work late here I let them go early on the friday or let them take a day off in lieu.

the nature of our work means that flexible working hours are often required but as an employer that flexibility needs to be recognised and for it to work both ways.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Big footed fred you are a tool!

My work know I leave early and they dont mind! so nerr

 

[big footed fred]

So you concede that you, as a boss, are in a better position that your employees?


Plenty of smack dealers work hard too


And how is this morally different from somebody sneaking out half an hour early and getting paid for it? You make money off the hard work of people who don't have the resources or the qualifications to start a business, it's hardly something to be proud of, you massive twat.


If everybody works hard, will they all get rich? Might there be some differences in likelihood of sucess depending on class?

You really are a fucking dolt.

I am in a better position as I worked to get there. I don't concede it. I'm fucking proud of the hard work I put in to get there.

I don't give a shit about the morels - If I pay for something I expect to get it.
Do you buy a 99 ice cream and expect the flake to be missing - I think not.

If I don't make money from workers can you tell me the point of giving them a job. It's not a fucking charity.

Stop the lefty dogma about workers rights and consider the poor sod who risks all to start the business. Without people like me you wankers would have no job at all and no fucking dole as it's our taxes that keep lazy bastards that don't want work in beer money.

I don't ask anyone to work for free but I don't want anyone to steal from me.
As for the resources or the qualifications to start a business, I started with fuck all. I was made redundant for the second time in three years and had a old ford estate, a few hundred quid and a desire not to be on the fucking dole.
I got off my arse and fucking well worked for what I have.
It's fucking hard work keeping it going and no one has any right to anything but what they work for.
Almost forgot the class thing. Sorry pal I'm from a yorkshire mining family. No silver fucking spoon or mason membership to work on. Did it all with hard work and sweat so fuck off again.

If working hard to keep off the dole makes me a massive twat or a fucking dolt then that's what I am.
Try having a go and you will soon work it out that I don't sit in a posh leather chair with my feet up on the back of a worker. I get out and get dirty and when there is no work it's me that has no wage.
Fancy a go ?

 

[big footed fred]

Life's too short to work unpaid overtime - and life's *way* too short to spend a second of it working for an arsehole like BNP Fred.

That's what I love about a cunt. just add a racist bit when you can't win an argument. Deflects from the fact you know I'm right.

 

[CharlieAddict]

That's what I love about a cunt. just add a racist bit when you can't win an argument. Deflects from the fact you know I'm right.

hi fred! still making lots of friends i see

 

[Gribbley]

Not helping themselves.

We (that is, our local Union branch, of which I am VP) discussed the Work Your Proper Hours Day with our management, and they have (quite rightly I feel) written to the TUC pointing out that if their website was perhaps a little less childish (sending your boss an anonymous email? How old are these people?) then they would fully support the cause in future.

Of course, if people around here wanted to make a big thing of going home on time, then some of them might find that management start making a big thing of them pitching up when they're supposed to. Cake and eat it, and all that.

 

[In Bloom]

I am in a better position as I worked to get there. I don't concede it. I'm fucking proud of the hard work I put in to get there.

Who cares how hard you worked? Other people work hard too. And if you think lugging a few speakers about for an hour or two then putting a few CDs on is back breaking labour, I'd reccomend you do some research into sweatshops and coal mines. Bottom line, you don't work any harder than anybody else, you just happened to be lucky enough to work at something that got you rich.

I don't give a shit about the morels

Then don't expect anybody else to give a shit if you think they've stolen off you

Do you buy a 99 ice cream and expect the flake to be missing - I think not.

If buying a 99 equates to perpetuating in a system of exploitation and alienation, I think I'll stick to a choc ice, thanks

If I don't make money from workers can you tell me the point of giving them a job. It's not a fucking charity.

Stop the lefty dogma about workers rights and consider the poor sod who risks all to start the business. Without people like me you wankers would have no job at all and no fucking dole as it's our taxes that keep lazy bastards that don't want work in beer money.

It really is pretty funny when you think about it, some nob starts accusing me of being "dogmatic," then comes out with this recycled, pseudo-intellectual bullshit about "risk." I don't care how much you "risked" and I certainly don't believe you "risked all." Would you have starved to death if you had lost your business? Would you bollocks, you would have found a job somewhere and got on with your life, like everybody else who doesn't have the money to start a business.

I don't ask anyone to work for free

Just for less pay than their work is worth.

As for the resources or the qualifications to start a business, I started with fuck all. I was made redundant for the second time in three years and had a old ford estate, a few hundred quid and a desire not to be on the fucking dole.

That's a few hundred quid and an old ford estate more than a lot of people have.

It's fucking hard work keeping it going and no one has any right to anything but what they work for.

Yet you already admit that you pay your employees less than the ammount of money that their work generates. Who's stealing from who again?

And as for "keeping it going," could you run your business with no employees at all?

Almost forgot the class thing. Sorry pal I'm from a yorkshire mining family. No silver fucking spoon or mason membership to work on. Did it all with hard work and sweat so fuck off again.

Class isn't inherited, it's determined by your relationship to power, not whether or not you can whistle the song from the old Wharbitons adverts.

And the straight fact of the matter is that most small businesses fail and the richer you were to start with, the more likely you are to suceed.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Some people think that enjoying what they do and not over-exerting themselves is more important tho'

I love what I do and often work 16 or 18 hour days

 

[big footed fred]

Who cares how hard you worked? Other people work hard too. And if you think lugging a few speakers about for an hour or two then putting a few CDs on is back breaking labour, I'd reccomend you do some research into sweatshops and coal mines. Bottom line, you don't work any harder than anybody else, you just happened to be lucky enough to work at something that got you rich.

I'm not rich but I am proud that I worked for what I have.
I still have to work bloody hard to keep things going. Other all have the chance to do the same if you don't mind hard work.


If buying a 99 equates to perpetuating in a system of exploitation and alienation, I think I'll stick to a choc ice, thanks

With no choc - not. First to complain comment comes to mind.


It really is pretty funny when you think about it, some nob starts accusing me of being "dogmatic," then comes out with this recycled, pseudo-intellectual bullshit about "risk." I don't care how much you "risked" and I certainly don't believe you "risked all." Would you have starved to death if you had lost your business? Would you bollocks, you would have found a job somewhere and got on with your life, like everybody else who doesn't have the money to start a business.

You don't listen. I said I started with almost nothing. If I had failed I would have looked for a job. Any job is better than scrounging on the dole and feeling sorry for myself.


Just for less pay than their work is worth.

People's labour is worth less than a business makes from them or there is no point in them being there. I told you it's not fucking oxfam.


That's a few hundred quid and an old ford estate more than a lot of people have.

Granted - not all can do it but some could and won't - too fucking left wing and/or lazy. Just want it on a plate.


Yet you already admit that you pay your employees less than the ammount of money that their work generates. Who's stealing from who again?

Not stealing but no fucking point if it makes no money.
Try it and you will find out. A business is to make money - employment is a side effect.

And as for "keeping it going," could you run your business with no employees at all?

Yes but smaller an so less income but also less risk. A friend who has a unit near mine is about to lay off his employees. They are more trouble to him than the money he makes from them so it's bye bye to them.


Class isn't inherited, it's determined by your relationship to power, not whether or not you can whistle the song from the old Wharbitons adverts.

And the straight fact of the matter is that most small businesses fail and the richer you were to start with, the more likely you are to suceed.

I don't give a flying fuck about class - I do care that I work for what I make.
So make your own luck and improve yourself. As for the last point it is true with the added note that no matter how much you put in if you don't work hard you end up with sod all.

All this left wing dogma about worker rights is bollocks. A worker is employed for the good of the business. That is not to say that they don't deserve a fair wage and good conditions but they have NO other rights.
What the fuck gives some gobshite lefty twat a say in what I do in by business. They can all fuck off and do it themselves if they want to manage the job. That or put in the same cash, risk and hours. No fucking danger of that from that bunch of workshy hangers on.

 

[big footed fred]

hi fred! still making lots of friends i see

Hi CA - just trying to educate the fucking pork

 

[timebomb]

I haven't worked a second longer than I'm paid for for years.

I even told the managing director I wasn't gonna unsheet the load on the lorry I'd just parked up, after drawing into the yard on the dot of home time, so that his idiot son could unload it. He had a nerve to ask, there was no need for it to be unloaded before the next morning anyway.

It annoys me when I've spent 9 hours getting a dirty great lorry into tight building sites, lumping wood around in the pissing rain, getting soaked, cutting my hands up with wet ropes, etc........you get back ready to go home and they just want more....... two cunts who've sat in a nice warm office all day earning off your blood and sweat.

Fuck work ethics.