woodstock 50 years on - a glimpse of utopia or a load of hippy wank?

Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by Kaka Tim, Aug 17, 2019.

  1. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    lots of stuff in the news cos 50 years. and lots of backslapping.

    i definitely via towards the "hippy wank" perspective - the self styled counter culture indulging itself - but very white and no real connection with a shit load of stuff going down in america - other than saying "peace and love" a lot as a way of zoning out riots, bitter divisions, brutal racism and an increasingly violent backlash against the anti-war movement.
    And - lets face it - most of the music was pretty dire - overwhelmingly mid paced west coast country rock or white boy blues stodge. Also - terrible organisation, woefully inadequate facilities, shit sound - id have paid good money not to be there.
    Rather than a new dawn - it was the hippies reaching the limits of what could be achieved by "turning on, tuning in and dropping out" - but its entered american cultural folklore as some sort of watershed - but its legacy is ... well what exactly?
     
  2. dessiato

    dessiato I have earned the right to sing the blues

    I'd have loved to have been there. I think that, despite it's many problems, it'd be an amazing experience. Yes it was hippy wank, but what hippy wank...Hendrix, Joplin, Cocker, Baez...
     
  3. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    It's a testament to the way people then were better at creating legends than people are now
     
  4. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Turning the blind eye shit.

    Pete 'not a peado' Townsend the only decent act.
     
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  5. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Article here comparing Woodstock to the Harlem music festival that was taking place at the same time, and drew very little media attention.

     
  6. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    That's a hell of a lineup.
     
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  7. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Yep. I tend to agree with butchers about the Woodstock lineup. The Harlem one appeals more.

    The article touches on one of the key differences, I think. At Harlem there were families and even church groups. This wasn't a countercultural event per se, merely a cultural event. Black people were forced to the margins of society by racism. They didn't choose that position, it was chosen for them. While white hippies were making a choice to 'drop out'. That's not meant to be a criticism particularly - I suspect that I'd have been a hippie if I'd been young in the 60s – but there is a fundamental difference in the construction of the two groups.
     
  8. Spandex

    Spandex A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound

    The rain. The mud. The sound was shit unless you were close to the stage. Barely any food and not much to drink. Too few toilets and they quickly overflowed. The music scheduling was a mess. "Don't take the brown acid". And that's if you even managed to get there.

    No thanks.

    I've seen the film and the only act I really enjoyed was Sha Na Na.
     
  9. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. I am just waiting for the next tomato..

    Middle class kids rebelling against their parents. A background of civil rights marches and anti war protests have the hippies a cause to hang their kaftans and cheesecloth shirts on.
    Couple of decent bands, seen the film and been bored each time.
     
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  10. hash tag

    hash tag member

    I would like to have been there. A proper, non commercial festival, just peace, love n rock n roll

    Woodstock - Three Days that Defined a Generation: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0007n24 via @bbciplayer
     
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  11. andysays

    andysays Defiantly non-premium member

  12. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    pete townshend wasn't a woodstock fan -

     
  13. Humberto

    Humberto the same thing we do every night

  14. Humberto

    Humberto the same thing we do every night

    I'm confused
     
  15. Humberto

    Humberto the same thing we do every night

    Isle of Wight 2 in 1970 was Hendrix. Starting to get the hang of this googling.
     
  16. hash tag

    hash tag member

    Hendrix was a little bit out of it at Woodstock and most were on their way home by the time he came on.
     
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  17. JuanTwoThree

    JuanTwoThree "Human opinions are children's toys"

    woodstock 50 years on - a glimpse of utopia or a load of hippy wank?

    Why is that an either/or? It was a bit of both. We are stardust, we are golden
    .
     
  18. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!


    a glimpse of a hippy wank? :eek::(:eek:
     
  19. ricbake

    ricbake working out how

    Hey man.....
    You had to be there
    The squalor
    The degradation
    The hunger
    It was out of this world
    Man....
     
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  20. Argonia

    Argonia Happy go licky

    Would have loved to drop LSD there
     
  21. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

    I imagine it was a load of shit for most of the crowd.

    I enjoy bits of the Film as a youngster, but not as much as Monterey Pop.

    I'm not a big fan of Ten Years After, but the footage of them is great. Santana were boring as fuck. Ritchie Havens was a bit of a legend. Joe Cocker, well, he was Joe Cocker. The Who didn't get on until 4am after having a row about getting paid. Daltrey has a fonder memories of it then Townshend.

    It was big, messy and historic, but I am not certain it was as important as it is made out to be.
     
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  22. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

    It didn't define a generation though. It was part of the end of the hippy dream.

    Sharon Tate murder was the same month, Stones at Altamont a couple of months later.

    The dark heart of the hippy ideal was bleeding out.
     
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  23. hash tag

    hash tag member

    Joe Cocker's performance was charged with emotion. Also liked Canned Heat and Mountain.
     
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  24. hash tag

    hash tag member

    The Hell's Angels took the security at Altamont and it got a little out of hand. As I wasn't there, I can only assume that Woodstock was the pinnacle of the hippy dream. On a brighter note, it coincided with anti Nam protests.
     
  25. brixtonscot

    brixtonscot Well-Known Member

    USA was/is very segregated country , so maybe not surprising Woodstock was predominantly white , Harlem festival predominantly black.
    Quote from Mark Fisher......

    The concept of acid communism is a provocation and a promise. It is a joke of sorts, but one with a very serious purpose..... the convergence of class consciousness, socialist-feminist consciousness-raising, and psychedelic consciousness, the fusion of new social movements with a communist project...the sixties and early seventies had seen the left fail to connect with the 'collective euphoria' of the counterculture, leaving its embrace of freedom and pleasure to be colonised by the right. "

    Mark Fisher
    More Acid Than Communism
     
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  26. andysays

    andysays Defiantly non-premium member

     
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  27. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

    :oldthumbsup:

    i have defended Mountain many years against alot of stick.
     
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  28. seeformiles

    seeformiles Lost in the wood

    I’m in the hippy camp here - and I love the film. About 25 years ago they showed 3 hrs of extra footage so got 2 VCRs and re-edited every act in order of appearance to make a monster 4 and a half hour version that included Canned Heat, The Band, Quiver, Incredible String Band and Mountain (great performance with Leslie “22 stone of glory” West) plus expanded sets from The Who, Joe Cocker, Sha Na Na and Santana. The idea was that you could drop a tab at the opening credits and have it kick in just when the Brown Acid warning happens. Worked rather well as I recall. (I appreciate that is probably circle of hell for many on here...:eek: but fuck it, I have no shame ;))

    Thinking about it, given that more footage has come to light in the intervening years, I could probably expand it even more - and this time on dvd.....:thumbs:
     
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  29. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

    :eek: :thumbs:
     
  30. isvicthere?

    isvicthere? a.k.a. floppybollocks

    Just over a month before his death. I didn't have to Google it! :p
     
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