WouldBe
Dislicksick
£45 in Derbyshire. When he swept chimney after 4 years use he hardly got any soot out of the flue.
Wood burning stoves
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Some fucker up the road used to burn mattresses that he'd taken in for disposal.
Eta: not I don't think in a wood burner though
Dave Angel's missus?
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
OK: they taught Miriam Margoyles how to swear.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Yes he put his prices up last year from something similar. What are you burning?
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Compressed wood briquettes mostly with the odd log.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Yeah, I don’t think I’d get permission for that. If I was putting one in the living room, the flue would need to go right up the front of the building.
Not that it’s on the cards: I don’t have the money. But with gas prices going up I was jealous of people who have another heating source.
My childhood home didn’t have central heating. Just an open coal fire in the living room. We’d sometimes burn wood on it, but although the smell was nicer the heat wasn’t as good.
I have fond memories of the open fire, but in reality lighting it and clearing out the ashes was a pain in the arse, and storing and lugging filthy coal was less than optimal.
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
Are recycled paper fuel pellets a thing people buy?
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Can't say I've seen any. You can get a press to make your own paper briquettes from though.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
There’s a lot of ill-informed junk and low-quality trolling going on on this thread and I can’t be arsed to take it all on but I’m assuming your post is the former. Pollution monitoring is a pretty complex subject but it just isn’t true that particulate monitors are only put in places with high outputs - surely a moment or two of thinking would have helped you realise this? Do you really think scientifically trained people might not have sussed this out? That it would make the data not very useful?
It is true that known hotspots have dedicated monitors - for a variety of reasons - but there is a national monitoring network that allows valid comparisons between all areas of the U.K.
Once again - for the slow ones - woodstoves account for a (largely unknown) proportion of the one seventh of the UKs (vastly dininished) particulate levels. Why are they the most important thing?
The elephant in the room here is climate change which will literally wipe out humanity (or at least a fuck of a lot of the poor ones) and all fossil fuel solutions also generate huge amounts of particulate pollution too.
This whole subject is tedious clickbait Guadian bullshit
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
1 7th sounds like a lot to me and who’s saying it’s the most important issue?
I was just pointing out Monbiot’s privilege and mocking the idea that it is practical or desirable to have a wood burning stove in every house. You won’t catch me living in a house with one .
I was just pointing out Monbiot’s privilege and mocking the idea that it is practical or desirable to have a wood burning stove in every house. You won’t catch me living in a house with one .
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
It’s less than one seventh but we don’t know how much because it’s hard to break the analysis beyond “wood”, although I believe charcoal can be but since it’s overwhelming burnt domestically on bbqs etc it’s lumped back into “domestic combustion activities” anyway so the data isn’t usable.
If you piss your pants over woodstoves and ignore
1 that U.K. particulate emissions are the lowest they’ve been since records began and about 90% down over my lifetime
2 that nearly 90% of particulates come from other sources
3 climate change
4 the fact that all existing substitutions for wood burning also emit particulates
Then you’re just a clickbait sucker.
platinumsage
Well-Known Member
You claim that wood stoves account for one seventh of the UK’s particulate pollution right after stating that particulate monitors are placed in places with high traffic pollution. Can’t you see the problem with that?
Sure there will be some monitors that aren’t in traffic pollution hotspots, but the network was designed primarily to monitor traffic pollution. You can’t conclude much about the problem of stoves except from those monitors that are actually located in neighbourhoods with widespread stove use.
As to the national DEFRA network you can see all the locations for yourself on their website together with photos and maps. The vast majority are not located on streets with residential houses.
Seems like you’re a propagandist for wood stove installers to me.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Thi
But you do you.
Yawn. This is utter bullshit - wood smoke monitoring and prediction is incredibly accurate and you obviously know nothing at all about it.
But you do you.
platinumsage
Well-Known Member
Why don't you just link to the data from particulate moniotors located in neighbourhoods with woodburners, then we can see just how safe the pollution levels in those neighbourhoods are during the winter?
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
At least you’re basically admitting you don’t know anything about it which is a step forward.
I don’t have an internet link for you because I read about the subject in a book, which I don’t have access to and won’t for some weeks. When I do I’ll post up how the data is collected and what it tells us.
platinumsage
Well-Known Member
You claim to be knowledgeable but can't even link to any data sources. I look forward to you detailing what you read in this book about special pollution monitoring data that is only published on paper.
Why don't you just name the book though, then we can look it up for ourselves and won't have to wait weeks until everyone has forgotten?
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
It’s by Gary Fuller who’s at Imperial
and set up the London Clean Air Network. You’ll be delighted to hear that he’s fairly anti-stove, although when I’ve asked him in person (at a seminar) about the methodological problems with separating out different sources of wood smoke he’s disarmingly frank in admitting that’s a problem. He is also pioneering in sourcing other particulate sources (recently argued that the building trade is responsible for about one fifth - about two or three times previous estimates) so although he’s anti stove his work has tended to indicate that their proportion of particulate emission is currently overestimated due to under estimation of other sources. His take is that it’s about heading off a climate-change related rush into large scale biomass, and that stoves don’t actually matter that much. He was also very clear that wood stoves are usually lower emitters than “smokeless” coal.
The particular reason I’m citing him to you is because any reading by you of work like how would show you how nonsensical your characterisation of the current monitoring system is.
and set up the London Clean Air Network. You’ll be delighted to hear that he’s fairly anti-stove, although when I’ve asked him in person (at a seminar) about the methodological problems with separating out different sources of wood smoke he’s disarmingly frank in admitting that’s a problem. He is also pioneering in sourcing other particulate sources (recently argued that the building trade is responsible for about one fifth - about two or three times previous estimates) so although he’s anti stove his work has tended to indicate that their proportion of particulate emission is currently overestimated due to under estimation of other sources. His take is that it’s about heading off a climate-change related rush into large scale biomass, and that stoves don’t actually matter that much. He was also very clear that wood stoves are usually lower emitters than “smokeless” coal.
The particular reason I’m citing him to you is because any reading by you of work like how would show you how nonsensical your characterisation of the current monitoring system is.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
I don’t know owt about particulate emissions so don’t know why you’re banging on about them.
They’re not the main reason I was expressing skepticism about people advocating their wide use.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Thanks for your input
ska invita
back on the other side
I dont understand what the law is for burning wood
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
They can issue fines for fashionable stoves!
I'll be ok with my old knackered ones then
Shit journalism
I'll be ok with my old knackered ones then
Shit journalism
butcher
boner at the ready
What do they teach at school nowadays:
Beechwood fires are bright and clear
If the logs are kept a year,
Chestnut’s only good they say,
If for logs ’tis laid away.
Make a fire of Elder tree,
Death within your house will be;
But ash new or ash old,
Is fit for a queen with crown of gold.
Birch and fir logs burn too fast
Blaze up bright and do not last,
it is by the Irish said
Hawthorn bakes the sweetest bread.
Elm wood burns like churchyard mould,
E’en the very flames are cold
But ash green or ash brown
Is fit for a queen with golden crown
Poplar gives a bitter smoke,
Fills your eyes and makes you choke,
Apple wood will scent your room
Pear wood smells like flowers in bloom
Oaken logs, if dry and old
keep away the winter’s cold
But ash wet or ash dry
a king shall warm his slippers by.
Beechwood fires are bright and clear
If the logs are kept a year,
Chestnut’s only good they say,
If for logs ’tis laid away.
Make a fire of Elder tree,
Death within your house will be;
But ash new or ash old,
Is fit for a queen with crown of gold.
Birch and fir logs burn too fast
Blaze up bright and do not last,
it is by the Irish said
Hawthorn bakes the sweetest bread.
Elm wood burns like churchyard mould,
E’en the very flames are cold
But ash green or ash brown
Is fit for a queen with golden crown
Poplar gives a bitter smoke,
Fills your eyes and makes you choke,
Apple wood will scent your room
Pear wood smells like flowers in bloom
Oaken logs, if dry and old
keep away the winter’s cold
But ash wet or ash dry
a king shall warm his slippers by.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
No mention of eucalyptus 
King Biscuit Time
Well-Known Member
Or orange.No mention of eucalyptus
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I read recently that a lot of people are burning free wood from building sites - particularly pallets - and particularly with the price of wood having gone up so much. Unfortunately they are often treated with arsenic, so there's a fair amount of indoor arsenic pollution.
The reason they stopped using arsenic to colour wallpaper was because it reacted with the Victorian London smog and killed people. Arsenic reacting with an acid forms arsine which I think is causing the problem.
The reason they stopped using arsenic to colour wallpaper was because it reacted with the Victorian London smog and killed people. Arsenic reacting with an acid forms arsine which I think is causing the problem.
cupid_stunt
Thank you for your attention to this matter!
My brother burns pallets, I often pick them up for him, but only the untreated ones.
He gets other free wood from a roofer, again untreated wood.
davesgcr
Reading books
Rarely burn pallets (though handy for kindling) - got some great (Canadian) pine rafters from house renovations nearby (from a skip !) - beautfull wood which would otherwise have gone into landfill.
Not too proud to go wood gathering with my nifty battery powered mini-chainsaw - plenty around which can be put to good use. Free fuel.
