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Women's World Cup 2019

littlebabyjesus

one of Maxwell's demons
It's the college system isn't it. It's huge in the US and iirc it's a legal requirement that women's facilities match the men's. I expect most if not all of the US team have come through that system so they've had a lot of specialist fitness training that players from other countries won't have had access to. In the men's game here the clubs pick up players very young and fill in that gap but I don't think the resources are there in the women's game.

I'm not sure it's that simple to sort out tbh, as you say it needs to start quite early. They mentioned during the game yesterday how hard England's players had worked to catch up on that side but you need a system that works for every potential player who might possibly make the team in a few years, not just those at the top end.
It's also just down to brute numbers. More women and girls play football in the US than in the UK. It's normal for girls to play at school. That England produced a team that ran them close is itself an achievement.
 

sojourner

Where's me readers?
Although... something that does grate is calling the players girls... dont really understand that one
Yeh, that grates on me too.

That is amazing to hear. I help coach a boys team and my friend's husband coaches the girls. At the moment they are still equal and often play each othe. Personally I think this world cup made a big difference. When they hit puberty the boys begin to out run the girls etc., usually the girls become despondent. For this cohort of girls they have victory to now aim for and I am hopeful this will snowball for future generations of girls.
:cool: I've been quite emotional all the way through, because of the elevation that the women's team and women's football in general are now experiencing, and the effect it's having on young girls. I'm half staggered that it's taken this long, and half wild with pride.

I am fairly certain they were Neville's exact words on BBC news last night :facepalm:
They were!

Anyway, I'm not usually a football fan at all, but there is a definite element of representation going on for me. I am more interested in watching these games, and actually enjoying them, BECAUSE they are women. It's almost a luxury (no, it IS a luxury) to be able to watch other women play at this level, on a main TV channel, and incite so much interest. I was so gutted last night. Never felt like that before about a football match result. They worked so fucking hard, couple of decisions went against them (people being gobbed in the mouth, anyone?!), and were unlucky, but they fought like fuck against the best team in the tournament. Dead proud of them :cool::cool::cool:
 

littlebabyjesus

one of Maxwell's demons
Yeh, that grates on me too.



:cool: I've been quite emotional all the way through, because of the elevation that the women's team and women's football in general are now experiencing, and the effect it's having on young girls. I'm half staggered that it's taken this long, and half wild with pride.


They were!

Anyway, I'm not usually a football fan at all, but there is a definite element of representation going on for me. I am more interested in watching these games, and actually enjoying them, BECAUSE they are women. It's almost a luxury (no, it IS a luxury) to be able to watch other women play at this level, on a main TV channel, and incite so much interest. I was so gutted last night. Never felt like that before about a football match result. They worked so fucking hard, couple of decisions went against them (people being gobbed in the mouth, anyone?!), and were unlucky, but they fought like fuck against the best team in the tournament. Dead proud of them :cool::cool::cool:
I was mad about football as a kid. My interest has waned over the years with the men's game and I'm barely arsed with it now beyond world cups and euros. The women's WC has been thoroughly enjoyable in the way men's football used to be for me. Just pure sport.
 

newbie

undisambiguated
Olympics 2012: "Let's go to Wembley to see women kicking a ball about, that'll be fun". It was, been hooked ever since. We'd go to more live games if the London teams didn't play in logistically difficult suburbs.

So next is the Euros in 2021, for which the London venue is a currently unfinished stadium in Brentford with a capacity of 17,500. Come on FA, recognise this interest, play them somewhere like Stamford Bridge or WHL and try and fill all those seats.
 

Monkeygrinder's Organ

Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Olympics 2012: "Let's go to Wembley to see women kicking a ball about, that'll be fun". It was, been hooked ever since. We'd go to more live games if the London teams didn't play in logistically difficult suburbs.
From this season Dulwich Hamlet have a women's team. They're not top level but I think have the potential to attract a good crowd for exactly that reason - being right by East Dulwich station is a big advantage.
 

Wilf

Slouching towards Billingham
I don't think he should be dragged over the coals for that slip of the tongue after a huge/emotional game and campaign. The chap did in the mens game with that sort of dialogue most his life.

The term should be 'players' I guess.
This. It's worth remembering that twat Sepp Blatter was going on about women needing to wear tight shorts only 5 or 6 years (?) ago. Things have definitely improved in some respects. I thought Neville was a poor appointment and that they should have appointed a woman coach but, from what I've seen he does seem to take it very seriously and has respect for his players.
 

belboid

TUC Off Your Knees
What is this meant to mean? Transfer value? Wages? Sponsorship? Total transfer fees last year for around 700 players only amounted to £450,000. Not sure what the record fee is.
"Malawi National Women’s football team icon Tabitha Chawinga’s move from Kvarnsveden IK in Sweden to Chinese outfit Jiangsu Suning pegged at $171 000 which is about MK126.5 million was the highest in women’s football worldwide in 2018."

Transfer fees were virtually unknown a couple of seasons ago - outside the States especially. They are going up exponentially now and this WC will give the game (and its income) a significant boost. Alex Morgan - who has earned over a million in sponsorship etc - is the most likely first $1M player, if she moves, but with a clinical eye for goal (thank you Jonathan Pearce) White shouldn't be far behind her. There's already a campaign at Tranmere to get her to replace Norwood.
 

Wilf

Slouching towards Billingham
. The improvement in skill levels over the last eight years is phenomenal. It's crazy, almost as if, if you give women the same training and support as men,they'll be just as good!!!!!
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Yeah, definitely in terms of the last 8 years, but even more so in the longer term. I remember Ch 4 showed domestic women's football for a couple of years around 1990. There were some well established teams such as Doncaster Belles but the standard of some of the weaker teams was really poor. Suppose it just reflected the limited number of women playing and training facilities/money at the time.
 

belboid

TUC Off Your Knees
mrsb has decided to become a blade from next season. Tried to get her to support Tranmere but she had the cheek to say 'what's the fucking point?' Just cos were still called 'Ladies' whereas United are 'Women'
 

Maltin

Well-Known Member
"Malawi National Women’s football team icon Tabitha Chawinga’s move from Kvarnsveden IK in Sweden to Chinese outfit Jiangsu Suning pegged at $171 000 which is about MK126.5 million was the highest in women’s football worldwide in 2018."

Transfer fees were virtually unknown a couple of seasons ago - outside the States especially. They are going up exponentially now and this WC will give the game (and its income) a significant boost. Alex Morgan - who has earned over a million in sponsorship etc - is the most likely first $1M player, if she moves, but with a clinical eye for goal (thank you Jonathan Pearce) White shouldn't be far behind her. There's already a campaign at Tranmere to get her to replace Norwood.
$171k was the biggest last year. Not sure if that is all-time.

If it is, it seems quite a big jump from there to £1 million (or even $1 million). Who is going to pay that sort of money?
 

belboid

TUC Off Your Knees
$171k was the biggest last year. Not sure if that is all-time.

If it is, it seems quite a big jump from there to £1 million (or even $1 million). Who is going to pay that sort of money?
I'm sure we've both googled the same figures, I can't see anything bigger, and I'm doubtful there would be one given more money is going into/out of the game each season.

Man City, Lyon, Barcelona, probably a couple of others. It all depends on how much the game grows over the next couple of years. Whoever first goes for that much, it'll half be on their playing skills and half upon their marketability, how many shirts they'll sell, how much more publicity they can generate for the team. A Beckham-like figure (ie, very good at football and being considered rather attractive) could well do it in the next year or two, imo.
 
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Wilf

Slouching towards Billingham
I just wondered if Marta might have been a 1m transfer and looked on wiki (she isn't/wasn't). Though there's reference to her getting 400,000 dollars one year what is interesting is that her career is full of cancelled contracts, 6 month contracts and even cancelled seasons.
Marta (footballer) - Wikipedia
 

D'wards

I'm an excellent driver
It's also just down to brute numbers. More women and girls play football in the US than in the UK. It's normal for girls to play at school. That England produced a team that ran them close is itself an achievement.
More women and girls play football in America than men and boys
 

D'wards

I'm an excellent driver

Lord Camomile

Lemonade socialist
Just got home. Wasn't quite like last night...

Did commentary give any explanation why van de Sanden was on the bench? She was so clearly the best player on the pitch when she came on, just in the way she carried herself.
 

hash tag

chillin
So, European champions V World Champions in the final; come on Holland.
The commentator last night said Sweden were now out of the competition :confused:
They still have to play us for third place.
 
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