Johnny Canuck3
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Who: Dick Wolf?
Wolf: God didn't give Israel to the Jews.
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Who: Dick Wolf?
Yes. She's pretty much solved everything. Tony Blair can put away his file on the Mid East & retire to private life.
Sasaferrato
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butchersapron
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What's that supposed to be/show/demonstrate?
Sasaferrato
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Don't murder people. There is a difference. Are you suggesting that no one should have killed anther soldier in WWI/WWII? Killing is a tragedy, always, but sometimes necessary to protect your nation.
butchersapron
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What does the bible actually say - if you're going to do this christian?
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sunset spires and twilight woods
pls quote the appropriate commandment
Mass child-murder's OK, but only under extreme provocation:
23 And Elisha went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
ska invita
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isnt this why some ultra orthodox jews are against the state of israel, or actions of the state, or something or other, as it goes against scripture on these grounds.... someone told me about this once
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
maybe god didn't give "israel" to the jews, but he gave rock and roll to you
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Certainly:
The Ten Commandments
20 And God spoke all these words:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance 19 and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die.”
20 Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”
21 The people remained at a distance, while Moses approached the thick darkness where God was.
Idols and Altars
22 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites this: ‘You have seen for yourselves that I have spoken to you from heaven: 23 Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold.
24 “‘Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you. 25 If you make an altar of stones for me, do not build it with dressed stones, for you will defile it if you use a tool on it. 26 And do not go up to my altar on steps, or your private parts may be exposed.’
Exodus 20 New International Version (NIV)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why are you going with that translation?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
cf king james:
Exodus 20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
krtek a houby
Saoirse don Phalaistín!
IIRC, Parts of the bible exhort people to kill and other parts seem to be against it. It's all very confusing.
butchersapron
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Thanks.
krtek a houby
Saoirse don Phalaistín!
hodor
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bless you and your god. May it go with you.
krtek a houby
Saoirse don Phalaistín!
hodor
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Old Testament guy, not actually Xtian at all
Who said he was?
krink
I'll do it this afternoon
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Anyone would think it was cobbled together from the ravings of various madmen.
butchersapron
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No they wouldn't. They'd think it was very complex document that was a mix of historical mythic literary and many other ways that people record their history. Unless you were the sort of one-register twat that thinks history is just being right and being wrong. Grow up.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Talking of the ravings of madmen...
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
I find it hard to afford any respect to a document which variously justifies corporal punishment, slavery, genocide, racism...and then claims to tell people how to live a good life. You'd be better off deriving a moral philosophy from the films of Martin Scorcese.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes, the history of study of the bible is madmen. Just madmen.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Don't then. There is a world beyond your door though you worst example of modern solipsistic thought. I don't like it wah wah
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
I didn't say that those who studied it were madmen, I was talking about the people who wrote it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You don't even know what the bible is.
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