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Witham Town v Dulwich Hamlet (3pm, Sat 4 April)

vicarofsibley

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Also - massive proliferation of songs has had the effect of dissipating the energy coming from the support, in my opinion.
There are definitely a core...10 I'd say that are sung with 100% gusto. The others are sung slightly less vociferously but still contribute to the atmosphere positively. Some, I agree, are shit. That's life.
 

StephenMac

Well-Known Member
I've also been a bit uncomfortable with the whole 'we've lost but let's spend twenty minutes scarf-twirling' thing
That was pretty much knocked on the head at Wingate & Finchley last Saturday.

Also think that the 'tourists' might be falling by the wayside now in this current dodgy run - there was a fair drop off for the last game and there was a bit more room to breathe. Think it's important to differentiate between people that have turned up for a chat and to be seen (if that has actually been happening) and those who have turned up and got hooked. There's a lot of us who may not be on first name terms with all of the Rabble, or even each other, but are turning up week in, week out home and away.

I'd like to still think that all are considered welcome and crowds larger than a couple of hundred might be pretty important for the viability of the club in the coming years.
 

Joe K

no al calcio con orchestra di ukulele
There are definitely a core...10 I'd say that are sung with 100% gusto. The others are sung slightly less vociferously but still contribute to the atmosphere positively. Some, I agree, are shit. That's life.
'That's life' or not, what I've said up there is basically impressionistic and subjective. I just haven't enjoyed it as much lately - could just be my fault.
 

Joe K

no al calcio con orchestra di ukulele
That was pretty much knocked on the head at Wingate & Finchley last Saturday.

Also think that the 'tourists' might be falling by the wayside now in this current dodgy run - there was a fair drop off for the last game and there was a bit more room to breathe. Think it's important to differentiate between people that have turned up for a chat and to be seen (if that has actually been happening) and those who have turned up and got hooked. There's a lot of us who may not be on first name terms with all of the Rabble, or even each other, but are turning up week in, week out home and away.

I'd like to still think that all are considered welcome and crowds larger than a couple of hundred might be pretty important for the viability of the club in the coming years.
Well, yeah, it's public entertainment and I'm not questioning anyone's right to come - I only started going to CH four years ago myself. I also doubt the rumour other clubs put about that people turn up to be seen: if I was a proper poseur (checks in with twenty year-old self, who was a proper poseur) I wouldn't be scanning the Non-League Paper for my next fix of hip. There is, however, some dabbling going on, and I don't think it contributes much to the atmosphere or the overall feel of the place. It's great when people get into it and come along on a regular basis - that's not really what I'm getting at.
 

Monkeygrinder's Organ

Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Hmmm. I've still enjoyed all the away days, shit results or not, although obviously it's better when we win.

I have definitely felt at times that the crowd at home has gone beyond the point where it becomes less enjoyable though. And that there is definitely a bit of a 'tourist' element following all the press articles etc. The last game was down a fair bit so maybe that's peaked, I don't know.

ETA: When I say 'tourist' I don't think anyone comes 'to be seen.' That's a bit of a silly idea IMO. But people have heard there's something going on and they come along to see it, get a drink and then stand there waiting to be entertained. I guess some will get into it and participate a bit more and others will drop off.
 

StephenMac

Well-Known Member
Well, yeah, it's public entertainment and I'm not questioning anyone's right to come - I only started going to CH four years ago myself. I also doubt the rumour other clubs put about that people turn up to be seen: if I was a proper poseur (checks in with twenty year-old self, who was a proper poseur) I wouldn't be scanning the Non-League Paper for my next fix of hip. There is, however, some dabbling going on, and I don't think it contributes much to the atmosphere or the overall feel of the place. It's great when people get into it and come along on a regular basis - that's not really what I'm getting at.
No didn't think you were at all. Think the 'being seen' thing has been overstated too, more people who've been intrigued by some of the more OTT media pieces presenting Champion Hill as some sort of social and footballing utopia and the consequent word of mouth that goes with it.
 

clog

she seems to like to nitpick and moan a lot
Only a few games - Leiston & Margate away, and Kingstonian, Leatherhead and Margate at home. Oh, I quite liked the FA Trophy win at home to Chalfont, and had quite good fun at Met Police away in the same competition, even though we lost.

I've had a sense this season that it isn't really like going to football sometimes - every game gets ramped up as some event and there are more people coming in than the ground's facilities can cope with (even at half capacity it feels too busy). There seem to have been lots of little disagreements between fans and, to my mind at least, I don't get the same impression of going to the match to meet one big group of people, rather several smaller groups. I've not gone for the last month or so as the Met Police game was such a pisser off the pitch - did feel like DH had become a bit of a tourist attraction.

I've also been a bit uncomfortable with the whole 'we've lost but let's spend twenty minutes scarf-twirling' thing, too. Far be it from me to think results are everything, but I've always thought that a big part of being a football fan is the shared cynicism in defeat, the camaraderie which comes with having a moan. Not really a fan of positivity for its own sake, to be honest.
The atmosphere at the Met Police game was weird. I didn't enjoy that one.
 

Tony_LeaS

Well-Known Member
even with current form have fans enjoyed this season ?
Since my first game against Billericay at home, I've kinda seen more of a downfall than victories (me turning up to games could actually be a problem!) but either way I've never enjoyed a footballing season more than this one. I've kinda considered myself a vocal singer who joins into most of the songs (one or two I still don't know 100% but I'm learning I promise!), and even away games where results have been awful I've still quite enjoyed myself. Some game obviously results would be preferred but my journeys across London and the South East have been fun. I wasn't around for the small attendances (smallest I've been to is probably the Stonewall game), so I wouldn't be able to remember times like that.

Either way, the games are fun, the footballs quite good, and even though I haven't properly socialised with anyone at the games as of yet (not the best with social interactions) but they always seem nice and fun to talk to! Probably wouldn't change much about my experiences yet (beside the form).
 

gareth taylor

Banned
Banned
Since my first game against Billericay at home, I've kinda seen more of a downfall than victories (me turning up to games could actually be a problem!) but either way I've never enjoyed a footballing season more than this one. I've kinda considered myself a vocal singer who joins into most of the songs (one or two I still don't know 100% but I'm learning I promise!), and even away games where results have been awful I've still quite enjoyed myself. Some game obviously results would be preferred but my journeys across London and the South East have been fun. I wasn't around for the small attendances (smallest I've been to is probably the Stonewall game), so I wouldn't be able to remember times like that.

Either way, the games are fun, the footballs quite good, and even though I haven't properly socialised with anyone at the games as of yet (not the best with social interactions) but they always seem nice and fun to talk to! Probably wouldn't change much about my experiences yet (beside the form).
I loved my first game back in 3 years home to canvey, was nice to see old fans and how much Dulwich has changed for the better, plan on making at least 2 next season !!!!!!
 

editor

hiraethified
I haven't got home yet from my birthday celebrations. On that basis, I suspect I may not make today's game which they will - no doubt - win heroically.
 

Monkeygrinder's Organ

Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I haven't got home yet from my birthday celebrations. On that basis, I suspect I may not make today's game which they will - no doubt - win heroically.
As long as you're aware that if that happens you'll be declared a jinx and summarily banned from ever coming back.
 

Fingers

From Tuscany SE22
The fracas at just before full time was down to a steward who really should have not been stewarding. More info later
 

SDE

Well-Known Member
That was all a bit bonkers at the end. Not something I'd like to repeat. My version of events below. I'm sure their steward has a different angle on it. I don't want to make a massive thing about it TBH (in case it were to drag DHFC into another regulatory pot of fuss) but I'm going to send a quick summary of events to Witham FC. I actually think their club is great and sound but that steward should be spoken to and warned of future conduct, volunteer or not. If anyone has any photos that help explain what happened - lots of people were snapping away when it all kicked off - I'd be grateful if you emailed them to me. Stephen_desmond@hotmail.com. I'll use in my email to WTFC only. I don't want the guy hounded out - it wasn't a momentous event - but, saying that, he was a total dick-fuck, has fucked my top and broken Jill's camera (£500 all ends up)! And WTFC should be aware of that. And today was one of the mildest DHFC away gangs I've seen in the last 3 years! But he just couldn't cope. The bloke could never handle a Maidstone-sized away crowd, or a 'proper' Dulwich beano. He'd implode.

So, my version of events in broad terms:

1st half early on, usual rabble chanting and kicking / banging of fences behind goal we're attacking.
10 mins in, steward asks me to punch rather than kick the fencing. The kicking is too much apparently.
15-20 mins in, steward asks us to not punch the fencing so hard. A flat hand is apparently ok. "So long as it's not too hard". I ask him for a decibel-ometer. He fronts up to me, 1 inch from face and spits "don't take the fucking piss out of me or I'll fucking kick you out".
I don't kick the fence for the rest of the game.
2nd half - Jill hitting fence along with many others with moderate and consistent strength from the start. Steward is stood in front of us all half visibly agitated.
2 mins to FT - steward snaps and fronts up to Jill, inches from her face shouting "I've fucking told you darling, that's fucking enough". I step in -"Fucking leave her alone. She can handle you, but don't scream in her face you twat." Then he grabs us, pushes my arm behind my back and starts trying to push us out the ground with a few sly rib punches. as we go And so the ruck began. Didn't see too much after that. We slipped out and left. Scrummage continued I believe, including their keeper?

Anyway. Nothing too major. I just think the guy is a twat and should pay for the cam damage. We'll see if Witham agree.
 

B.I.G

Well-Known Member
That was all a bit bonkers at the end. Not something I'd like to repeat. My version of events below. I'm sure their steward has a different angle on it. I don't want to make a massive thing about it TBH (in case it were to drag DHFC into another regulatory pot of fuss) but I'm going to send a quick summary of events to Witham FC. I actually think their club is great and sound but that steward should be spoken to and warned of future conduct, volunteer or not. If anyone has any photos that help explain what happened - lots of people were snapping away when it all kicked off - I'd be grateful if you emailed them to me. Stephen_desmond@hotmail.com. I'll use in my email to WTFC only. I don't want the guy hounded out - it wasn't a momentous event - but, saying that, he was a total dick-fuck, has fucked my top and broken Jill's camera (£500 all ends up)! And WTFC should be aware of that. And today was one of the mildest DHFC away gangs I've seen in the last 3 years! But he just couldn't cope. The bloke could never handle a Maidstone-sized away crowd, or a 'proper' Dulwich beano. He'd implode.

So, my version of events in broad terms:

1st half early on, usual rabble chanting and kicking / banging of fences behind goal we're attacking.
10 mins in, steward asks me to punch rather than kick the fencing. The kicking is too much apparently.
15-20 mins in, steward asks us to not punch the fencing so hard. A flat hand is apparently ok. "So long as it's not too hard". I ask him for a decibel-ometer. He fronts up to me, 1 inch from face and spits "don't take the fucking piss out of me or I'll fucking kick you out".
I don't kick the fence for the rest of the game.
2nd half - Jill hitting fence along with many others with moderate and consistent strength from the start. Steward is stood in front of us all half visibly agitated.
2 mins to FT - steward snaps and fronts up to Jill, inches from her face shouting "I've fucking told you darling, that's fucking enough". I step in -"Fucking leave her alone. She can handle you, but don't scream in her face you twat." Then he grabs us, pushes my arm behind my back and starts trying to push us out the ground with a few sly rib punches. as we go And so the ruck began. Didn't see too much after that. We slipped out and left. Scrummage continued I believe, including their keeper?

Anyway. Nothing too major. I just think the guy is a twat and should pay for the cam damage. We'll see if Witham agree.
Keeper is sound, he was just telling me to leave it, which was fair enough as I had been telling the steward what a fucking disgrace he was, I turned round, was surprised to see the keeper (legend that he is) and then I left it, in the meantime the steward appeared to have (perhaps) been taken off somewhere by another steward?
 

SDE

Well-Known Member
All a bit of a blur. So frantic. Don't mind the guy getting narky with me - that was just funny - but he was right horrible to Jill and got aggro with her. Not good. Their keeper sure is a legend!
 

Tricky Skills

Well-Known Member
Got pics of the whole incident. Will publish to BBuzz tomorrow once the Essex exuberance has curtailed.

Briefly: With 1 minute to go, wtf couldn't the steward just walk away from what was a pleasant 0-0 for both sides and supporters?
 

SDE

Well-Known Member
Cheers dude. Witham FC have got in touch asking for details from us and saying soz for a bad experience. Doesn't mean they saw anything or take a particular view but hopefully they'll sort the lad out. Then let's bury it and move on.
 
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