Will Young on Question Time

[Azrael]

i haven't made any demands

Fair enough, so would you agree that it doesn't matter how we feel about it, so long as we are aware of the feelings of other people and act accordingly?

you can feel about any way you want, so you acknowledge that it has ugly associations, that you are respecting the feelings of others - well done you, and yet are not offended, that is what I don't understand....in the 60s and 70s i didn't understand how the term would offend black people, I understand now, in the 60s and 70s the term probably didn't offend me, as i was a kid, it does offend me now, you seem stuck in the 70s, but i don't demand that you change, you stay unoffended

You appear to be having trouble separating my own feelings from my ability to empathise with others. I understand perfectly well why the Golliwog is offensive to other people; why else would I avoid references to it? (Not that I have to try too hard: I hadn't thought about it for yonks until this story broke.)

For me, the intent behind it affects how I feel. I view it as a relic of a bygone age, where it should stay.

 

[Azrael]

1870s

I still mourn the end of penny-farthings.

 

[Looby]

Just a personal view; what's said in private stays in private.


And can I apologise to everyone offened by that. And apologise for taking up your time in apologising. Sorry.

It wasn't in private, it was in a workplace which I'm sure has a very strict diversity policy. The reason this all came out was because someone who was there at the time was offended by what she said. It's like the prince charles/sooty thing all over again. She thinks it's harmless fun and doesn't mean anything because it's affectionate/a joke.

Anyway, this isn't about Thatch. Back to bumbling Will.

I hope Will Smith goes on there, this could become a series (Will Self thread a few weeks ago).

 

[Fledgling]

I still mourn the end of penny-farthings.

Bikes or coins?


(or both)?



Old fart

 

[Azrael]

The bikes were nifty, but you'd be ill-advised to rub two of them together.

You'll be getting me nostalgic about the window tax in a minute.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I didn't see it and can't watch on the BBC's iPlayer as I'm outside the UK, but I found Shami Chakrabarti's answer here (but not Geoff Hoon's, which must have preceded it):



Note how just afterwards Hoon refers to her answer as "emotional" - typical male response to being backed into a corner, man is assertive, forthright etc, where women are aggressive and "emotional" what a loaded sexist term to use, just because Hoon had been pwned.

 

[Azrael]

Note how just afterwards Hoon refers to her answer as "emotional" - typical male response to being backed into a corner, man is assertive, forthright etc, where women are aggressive and "emotional" what a loaded sexist term to use, just because Hoon had been pwned.

Mr Hoon is a political non-entity, and once said that Iraqi mothers whose children were killed by cluster bombs would one day thank Britain.

Without getting too personal, he seems a very mixed up gentleman.

 

[Awesome Wells]

that debate about the snow was unbelievable. Just how ignorant are these idiots in the audience. They managed to conflate so many middle class pet hates into one; even including a dig at the 'workshy'.

 

[Awesome Wells]

bTW Is Nigel Farage actually real?

 

[PacificOcean]

that debate about the snow was unbelievable. Just how ignorant are these idiots in the audience. They managed to conflate so many middle class pet hates into one; even including a dig at the 'workshy'.

That's Dunstable for you.

 

[Awesome Wells]

everywhere they go is like that.

 

[PacificOcean]

everywhere they go is like that.

Peckham in two weeks will be test for that theory

 

[Awesome Wells]

Even there the audience will be predominantly middle class to whom the show is targetted. Thus you get the populist views and all the usual rhetoric designed to scare the middle class into hating everyone else because the middle class are the victims of everything. The classic oppressed white man bollocks.

 

[stavros]

Nigel Farage really is a mono-dimensional prick isn't he?

 

[Awesome Wells]

and he doesn't know fuck all about global warming, the man frog.

 

[ViolentPanda]

and he doesn't know fuck all about global warming, the man frog.

Don't dis da frogs!