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Will this audio interface do what I need?

Xanadu said:
Can't we use the mic preamp on the mixer, then send the output of each channel to the audio interface?
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D'oh, my bad, of course you can, assuming the mixer has direct outputs for each channel :)

They'd go into the line inputs of the interface.



EDIT - Except looking at that Behringer desk it dosen't have direct outputs for each channel.
 
I was just about to poo myself :D

If I was only buying the audio interface for the band, I'd soooo get that Focusrite one. Looks the dogs bollocks, but I was hoping to get something that I could slip it into a small bag.

The mixer has channel inserts which I'd guess we can use? If that wouldn't work, it also has sub and main outs, so guess we send one mic to each of those outs (subL,subR,mainL and mainR), the two mic ins on the audio interface, and then DI boxes for the guitar/bass.
 
Xanadu said:
If I was only buying the audio interface for the band, I'd soooo get that Focusrite one. Looks the dogs bollocks, but I was hoping to get something that I could slip it into a small bag.

The mixer has channel inserts which I'd guess we can use? If that wouldn't work, it also has sub and main outs, so guess we send one mic to each of those outs (subL,subR,mainL and mainR), the two mic ins on the audio interface, and then DI boxes for the guitar/bass.
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Using the channel inserts is possible, but would be a bit of a faff, and the signals would be unbalanced.

Using the groups as you say would work, as long as you had no more than 4 mics at a time (bear in mind that a DI box needs a mic input, unless it's a dedicated input on an interface), with each group output going to a line in on your interface.

The Saffire10 is fairly portable, with the rack ears off I can fit it inside a laptop bag that was designed for a 17" laptop, it's traveled the world with me :)
 
The other problem you have, I learnt after reading the reviews, is Macs can't use USB.

So not much music stuff comes as USB because a lot of musicians use Macs.

Whereas Firewire is usable on both, so almost everything musical is coming as Firewire so mac users can use it.

The one Bees showed is Firewire for instance.

Bees.

They also have a Fostex Recording device, a 4 track or 8 track recorder I don't know, I don't remember if they specified, however, that will have Mic inputs and Preamps. Which obviously won't be being used if they recording to a Laptop via a device like the ones here.

They could use that along side the Mixing desk to increase the number of Mic through-puts they have available? Thus negating the need to over use the Channel Inserts from the Mixing desk.
 
Speaking of all this, appart from the Berhinger one what other options are there for the optical input on these type of sound cards. Its really difficult to find anything that I trust and while the Berhinger one is cheap I dont trust there stuff that much.
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Dravinian said:
They also have a Fostex Recording device, a 4 track or 8 track recorder I don't know, I don't remember if they specified, however, that will have Mic inputs and Preamps. Which obviously won't be being used if they recording to a Laptop via a device like the ones here.

They could use that along side the Mixing desk to increase the number of Mic through-puts they have available? Thus negating the need to over use the Channel Inserts from the Mixing desk.
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I guess you could record another two tracks onto it, and then manually line them up with the others in your sequencer later on, but it would be a hell of a faff.
 
miniGMgoit said:
Speaking of all this, appart from the Berhinger one what other options are there for the optical input on these type of sound cards. Its really difficult to find anything that I trust and while the Berhinger one is cheap I dont trust there stuff that much.
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The optical in on most cards is usually ADAT, which gives you 8 inputs, so you can expand your system by plugging in stuff like these:

http://www.dv247.com/invt/18218/
http://www.dv247.com/invt/37636/


You'll often see SPDIF digital inputs on cards as well, this isn't an optical connection (you use co-ax cable) and is a stereo signal.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
I guess you could record another two tracks onto it, and then manually line them up with the others in your sequencer later on, but it would be a hell of a faff.
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I was thinking more plug the mics into the fostex, use the pre-amps then send the signal to the recording device to be recorded.

Fostex should have two mic channels, Pan Left and Right for Input and send as a stereo signal to the Recording device with 1 instrument on the left 1 on the right.
 
Dravinian said:
I was thinking more plug the mics into the fostex, use the pre-amps then send the signal to the recording device to be recorded.

Fostex should have two mic channels, Pan Left and Right for Input and send as a stereo signal to the Recording device with 1 instrument on the left 1 on the right.
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Which Fostex recorder is it? Most of them don't let you route a signal out of the device, they just send it to whatever recording media they use.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
Which Fostex recorder is it? Most of them don't let you route a signal out of the device, they just send it to whatever recording media they use.
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You know I got a Tascam, so I don't know, I just assumed it would behave in the same way.

Still it has to headphone sockets right? Which is a stereo out?

My Tascam has line out, monitor out, effects send and a headphone socket
 
I just think that if you're gonna by an audio interface for a laptop/PC you might as well get one that will do everything for you, thus making your setup as simple as possible, rather than having to cobble together various bits of kit in a rats nest of cabling.

A laptop + well specced interface will be the most powerful and flexible setup, and will also give the most professional sounding results.


Plug in mics, load sequencer, arm tracks, hit record.

Job done :)
 
There'll be a (possibly steep depending on what you already know) learning curve, so don't expect instant miracles, but the results will be worth it IMO.
 
miniGMgoit said:
Whats the Berhinger like?
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It's actually alright, at less than 200 quid for another 8 inputs and outputs to your system you can't really complain. I wouldn't want to use it as part of a mobile setup, but for studio use it's fine.

Put it this way, I've owned one for about 4 years and never had a problem with it :)
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
Put it this way, I've owned one for about 4 years and never had a problem with it :)
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How about for a mobile set up. I only ask as I take my gear to my partner in crimes house to record?
She has one of them flight case things at hers. I could get one and just stick it in there with her rack gear. Theres not much urgency to get one at the moment but I would rather have it and not use it than not have it and need it.
 
I'd personally not use ADAT in a mobile setup becuase the cables, being fibre optic, are naturally a bit more fragile than copper.

I might be over cautious though.

What card/interface would you be using it with?
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
I'd personally not use ADAT in a mobile setup becuase the cables, being fibre optic, are naturally a bit more fragile than copper.

I might be over cautious though.

What card/interface would you be using it with?
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M-Audio Firewire 18/14.

Am I right in thinking that I could just use a mixing desk (with phantom power) and then go in the back to the unbalanced inputs? WOuld that be a better idea?
I'm just trying to work out for the future should I need to?
 
miniGMgoit said:
M-Audio Firewire 18/14.

Am I right in thinking that I could just use a mixing desk (with phantom power) and then go in the back to the unbalanced inputs? WOuld that be a better idea?
I'm just trying to work out for the future should I need to?
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If you have a desk that has direct channel outputs you could use that to go into the 8 line inputs on your interface, but tbh the behringer unit would be a better solution as it will give you another 8 outputs from your system as well, which can be useful for setting up stuff like cue/monitor mixes.

Your M-Audio + the Behringer would give you a total of 10 mic preamps, which should cover most eventualities.
 
Ended up buying the edirol ua 101 by the way. Decided, if I can't lug it around in a little bag with my little laptop I'm not interested. Unfortunately I doubt I'll get it in time for our next gig though :(
 
That desk has 6 aux sends, plus 4 group outputs, with a bit of careful routing you should be able to get an individual feed for each source you have.
 
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