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Will the Republican party attempt to rig the election?

Will the Republican party attempt to rig the election?

  • Yes they will

    Votes: 45 59.2%

  • No they won't

    Votes: 11 14.5%

  • Possibly

    Votes: 19 25.0%

  • Ir's a krazy konspiracy. Don't be daft.

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • Total voters
    76
  • Poll closed .
http://www.truthout.org/110308A
How McCain Could Win Monday 03 November 2008

by: Greg Palast, t r u t h o u t | Perspective

It's November 5 and the nation is in shock. Media blame it on the "Bradley effect": Americans supposedly turned into Klansmen inside the voting booth, and Barack Obama turned up with 6 million votes less than calculated from the exit polls. Florida came in for McCain and so did Indiana. Colorado, despite the Democrats' Rocky Mountain high after the Denver convention, stayed surprisingly Red. New Mexico, a state where Anglos are a minority, went McCain by 300 votes, as did Virginia.

That's the nightmare. Here's the cold reality.

Swing state Colorado. Before this election, two Republican secretaries of state purged 19.4 percent of the entire voter roll. One in five voters. Pfft!

Swing state New Mexico. One in nine voters in this year's Democratic caucus found their names missing from the state-provided voter registries. And not just any voters. County by county, the number of voters disappeared was in direct proportion to the nonwhite population. Gore won the state by 366 votes; Kerry lost it by only 5,900. Despite reassurances that all has been fixed for Tuesday, Democrats lost from the list in February told me they're still "disappeared" from the lists this week.

Continued on site.
 
oh and interesting developments about Ohio in 2004

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7725276

"DemocracyNow!'s Amy Goodman interviewed election fraud expert Mark Crispin Miller this morning. He said that the most important election news is not Obama, but Mike Connell. Mr. Connell is Karl Rove's computer brain, and has been implicated in the possible vote rigging of the Ohio Presidential election of 2004. He has been ordered by a Judge to give a two hour deposition under oath today. The order comes as a result of an affidavit by Stephen Spoonamore, an expert in computer fraud detection. Spoonamore swears that Mr. Connell et al. used a "Man in the Middle" system to manipulate the votes. In his affidavit he pinpoints the time to around 11p, on election night, 2004.

What gives the story immediate relevance is the report by Bev Harris of Black Box Voting that she has reliable information that "Man in the Middle" systems have been set up in several battleground states. For instance, she connects the election system for Arapahoe County Colorado to the Secretary of State's Office through a connection to a private computer company. The connections were made public in a recent ethics investigation."

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but if you can vote, don't let this stop you this time
 
I don't think even scam voting booth software can possibly hand the election to the Republicans now. By tomorrow morning we will know I guess (bar any legal challenges).

TomPaine
 
Presumably it'll just be the swing states that will have been targeted. Where is it going to hang on again - Florida and which are the other big ones?
 
two sheds said:
Presumably it'll just be the swing states that will have been targeted. Where is it going to hang on again - Florida and which are the other big ones?
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Yep - they'l have assumed that's all they needed. Fortunately, Obama only needs his safe states to win - he's 15%+ ahead in 275 college votes. :D

It's more of a worry for the Congressional elections. The predicted landslides there will be just as important for future legislation - and rigging could easily steal that away.
 
Both parties will try to use the election rules to their advantage. That doesn't mean that there is some grand conspiracy afoot. Obama will win the thing regardless and none of this nonsense will matter.
 
butchersapron said:
'Fortunately' -i'll play this thread back in 4 years time.
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You'd rather the rigging worked? Only the votes of the rich should count? You don't have to be a fan of electoral politics to believe that elections should not be bought. You twat. :D
 
I think there's a danger in crossing from being against rigging to endorsing someone. You've clearly crossed it. Which i think is fine, as long as you drop the fake stance of objectivity.
 
Nice wriggle butchers, but what has that got to do with your bizarre comment? You wouldn't have said the same if a nu-Labour acolyte had posted the same? Pull the other one.

And I'm not remotely objective on this - I'm not sure why you think I am - I've said I want him to win enough times. :confused:
 
butchersapron said:
Wriggle? From what? I've been entirely consistent.

As i said, let's see just how fortunate we are in 4 years time.
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It's got nothing to do with your politics or how consistent your position has been. :confused:

I said it was fortunate that this election is beyond rigging, and you said you don't think it's fortunate at all. I can only conclude that you'd rather it was stolen. Which makes no sense, 'cos I know you don't endorse McCain.

If - in your haste to demonstrate how supremely cynical you are - you said something that didn't precisely convey your meaning, you could just say so instead of turning it into an entirely irrelevant critique of my politics. Although I will, obviously, be talking notes as to how I should think about these things - you being so clever and cynical and all.
 
ymu said:
It's got nothing to do with your politics or how consistent your position has been. :confused:

I said it was fortunate that this election is beyond rigging, and you said you don't think it's fortunate at all. I can only conclude that you'd rather it was stolen. Which makes no sense, 'cos I know you don't endorse McCain.

If - in your haste to demonstrate how supremely cynical you are - you said something that didn't precisely convey your meaning, you could just say so instead of turning it into an entirely irrelevant critique of my politics. Although I will, obviously, be talking notes as to how I should think about these things - you being so clever and cynical and all.
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Here's where i show that you're lying in your claim that merely said that it was fortunate that it couldn't be fixed:

Fortunately, Obama only needs his safe states to win - he's 15%+ ahead in 275 college votes.
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Please, stop the wriggling. You're allowed to support Lord Obama. You don't need this miserable twisiting.
 
How does that not say it's fortunate that it couldn't be fixed? Did you even understand why I said it is unriggable?

Let's make it really simple for you:

15%+ is too far ahead for voter purging, intimidation and under-provision at polling stations to swing the state to McCain. Obama is that far ahead in at least 275 college votes. He only needs 270 to win. Therefore, this election is (almost certainly) beyond rigging, despite the Herculean efforts made in the (irrelevant) swing states. And that is fortunate, unless you think the rich should be able to steal elections.
 
inflatable jesus said:
Both parties will try to use the election rules to their advantage. That doesn't mean that there is some grand conspiracy afoot. Obama will win the thing regardless and none of this nonsense will matter.
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It's not a particularly grand conspiracy, it's a rather miserable one, though quite widespread. It's also been pretty well detailed with hard evidence; it's just generally ignored or thrown in with the loon stuff.

I do think that Obama will win anyway mind you.
 
Oh do shut up. Just accept that you said that you wanted Lord OB to win and, after repeating it, are now pretending for some absurd reason that you didn't. Including constructing an argument that i think it's good that rich can steal elections.
 
butchersapron said:
Oh do shut up. Just accept that you said that you wanted Lord OB to win and, after repeating it, are now pretending for some absurd reason that you didn't. Including constructing an argument that i think it's good that rich can steal elections.
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:hmm:

I do want him to win - I've said so on other threads and on this one. I said it a few posts up, in the middle of this bizarre exchange. It'd be pretty bloody strange if I didn't accept that I said I do want him to win. :confused::D

You need a lie down or something?
 
butchersapron said:
Yes, your repitition of what i've only just said is wearying and boring. I lie down now, wake up in changed world changed utterly.
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Where did I say I thought he'd change the world? I've said why I want him to win at length elsewhere, but I don't think I've ever said that.

But if it makes you happy, I'll acknowledge that you are a supremely cynical and astute observer of politics. I'll stick with believing that he's a better defence against the far right than McCain, mind.
 
Mind you, that Roosevelt! And we thought we had it bad in Europe!

Protesting too much?
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Sounds like you wouldn't recognize the far american right, if it bit you on the ass.
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From the Onion: :D

Southern Sheriff Pulls Over Obama Campaign Bus For Broken Taillight
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