Will the Republican party attempt to rig the election?

[butchersapron]

Will the democrats try to rig the election?

 

[clusterflux]

I was thinking of after the war in 1866. I didn't know you were joking. But yeah after passing the 13th amendment the 14th failed to pass so every member that voted against it was expelled from congress and wasn't allowed back until their state had ratified it. Even some of the states that had voted for it retracted their vote - Ohio, Oregon and New Jersey. New Jersey had this to say about it:

"Joint Resolutions withdrawing the consent of this State to the proposed Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, entitled article fourteen and rescinding the Joint Resolution, approved September eleventh, Anno Domini eighteen hundred and sixty-six, whereby it was resolved that said proposed Amendment was ratified by the Legislature of this State."....

“That it being necessary, by the Constitution, that every amendment to the same be proposed by two-thirds of both Houses of Congress, the authors of said proposition, for the purpose of securing the assent of the required majority, determined to, and did, exclude from the said two Houses eighty representatives from eleven States of the Union, upon the pretense that there were no such States in the Union; but finding that two-thirds of the remainder of said houses could not be brought to assent to the said proposition they deliberately formed and carried out the design of mutilating the integrity of the United States Senate, and without any pretext or justification, other than the possession of the power, without the right, and in palpable violation of the Constitution, ejected a member of their own body, representing this state and thus denied to New Jersey its equal suffrage in the Senate.”

Well that certainly sounds like something I would like to look into. Thanks for posting it, sounds like quite the contentious battle.

 

[Darios]

Latest from Brad Blog:

State After State, ES&S iVotronics Are Flipping Democratic Votes to Republican!
What You Can Do About It, And Where the Hell Are Those 'Thousands' of Obama/DNC Attorneys?...

This is just getting worse and worse. Now it's happening in Texas. (And in MO, if you read to the end of the article). And the vaunted "thousands of attorneys" from the Obama campaign and the DNC are still nowhere to be found.

 

[TomPaine]

I was just saying on another thread that there where reps from the Democrats out trying to get people to volunteer to be poll monitors and workers because crap is already starting to happen.

Basically if the Dems get in the will be Repubs blaming groups like Acorn and if the Repubs get in, rumours of vote flipping will be the talk of the town. Hard to tell how much of it is rumour, bollocks or the truth now.

TomPaine

 

[clusterflux]

Basically if the Dems get in the will be Repubs blaming groups like Acorn and if the Repubs get in, rumours of vote flipping will be the talk of the town. Hard to tell how much of it is rumour, bollocks or the truth now.

TomPaine

Exactly the problem you get if one group tries suppressing votes. Both groups eventually loose public trust. Its an attack on America, as it was in 2000. Its the same folks that had an Israeli Prime Minister asking how he could, "make them forget" in a cafeteria. I don't know what they did to Russia, but I know they are there too. You can track them with software from the insurance industry. The mathematics of probability. They control people through hypnosis. Intergenerationally. Sound good? Its the plot line for a novel I am writing.:

 

[nino_savatte]

Will the democrats try to rig the election?

How? Are there any examples of this happening in living memory?

 

[butchersapron]

How? I didn't realise that they were exempt from playing the sort of tricks that the republicans get up to - what with them being pure as the driven snow of course.

 

[nino_savatte]

Er, what are you saying, apron? No one is suggesting that the Dems aren't clean but your suggestion that the Dems will rig the election is rather far-fetched, given the Repubs antics in recent elections (voter scrubbing etc).

All the same, you have no examples of recent Democrat vote-rigging...unless you want to include the Jim Crow south in your 'analysis'.

 

[butchersapron]

I haven't suggested any such thing. I've asked a question, on a thread about vote rigging, if people think the democrats might also try and get up to some of the same tricks as the republicans appear to be, in the hope that there might be some examples offered or discussion as to why they may not/may. I think there's a real potential driven by disgust at the republcians to either whitewash or downplay what scum the democrats are as well. And i asked because i was reading about Greg Palasts new book in which he points the finger at both republicans and democrats for effectively disenfranchishing huge swathes of voters - that it's a game that they're both playing. Something in his own words

GREG PALAST: Well, as—you know, why don’t Democrats stand up? For the same reason as jellyfish. They don’t—you know, invertebrates, but—or as my co-author, Kennedy, said, they’re cowards. But, you know, he’s true blue. I’m not a Democrat. And, by the way, the guide is totally nonpartisan, so you—which means you can take it into the booth with you, by the way, to protect yourself, the Steal Back Your Vote comic.

And why don’t the Democrats protect voters? Because they’re in on the game. As you saw in New Mexico, you had Democratic Party officials knocking off the Native American vote, which is huge in New Mexico. It’s a swing vote in New Mexico. And they’re all Democrats—Native Americans—almost to a one. But they wanted to stop a uranium mine locally, and so the local policy want their baksheesh from the uranium mine are knocking off Native American votes. We see this in Colorado, we see this in Florida, where local Democratic officials are in on the purge, in on the game, trying to block the low-income minority voters. There are so many dangers now for the new voter, for the minority voter, for the elderly voter. There are so many tricks that they’re using now. It’s not one thing.

 

[nino_savatte]

Actually, you didn't "ask a question" at all. Have another look at your post. Your quote does not suggest to me, or anyone else, that the Democrats are about the rig the election. Nor is there any evidence in recent history where this has happened. Now if you'd mentioned the Democratic party of the southern states of the 1960's, that would be a different matter.

Btw, I saw the Palast report on Newsnight a couple of weeks ago.

Oh and I have never suggested that the Dems were any better than the Repubs. But one thingthat I took from Palast's piece was that the Repubs are more likely to resort to voter-scrubbing and machine-tampering, which are legitimised forms of electoral malfeasance.

 

[butchersapron]

Actually, you didn't "ask a question" at all. Have another look at your post. Your quote does not suggest to me, or anyone else, that the Democrats are about the rig the election. Nor is there any evidence in recent history where this has happened. Now if you'd mentioned the Democratic party of the southern states of the 1960's, that would be a different matter.

Btw, I saw the Palast report on Newsnight a couple of weeks ago.

Oh and I have never suggested that the Dems were any better than the Repubs. But one thingthat I took from Palast's piece was that the Repubs are more likely to resort to voter-scrubbing and machine-tampering, which are legitimised forms of electoral malfeasance.

That's right nino

Will the democrats try to rig the election?

is so clearly not a question.

 

[nino_savatte]

You're floundering, butch and it's funny to watch.

 

[nino_savatte]

Edited

 

[butchersapron]

My first post, the one you took offence at - is clearly a a question. It's no good taking parts from other later posts that aren't questions and pretending that they're my first post and so i wasn't asking a question. This sort of stuff makes you look very silly nino. Everyone can see what you've tried to do.

 

[nino_savatte]

Stop being such a drama queen, I did not take "offence" to your post. You've also fallen back on telling porkies...tut tut tut. The only one here who is looking silly is you, friend.

 

[butchersapron]

Edited

Brilliant, nino realises he's totally fucked up and destroys the evidence. Great stuff! Will there be any recognition of this? I doubt it.

 

[nino_savatte]

Ah, so if you can't 'win' your 'argument' why not use smears instead? That's butchersapron: liar and smear artist.

So you actually have proof of what I posted and then edited? Er, no you don't...and that's rich coming from someone who is so dishonest that they have to resort to demonisations to get their own way.

 

[nino_savatte]

Edited

 

[nino_savatte]

Well butchers? Have you gone off to get more data uploaded?

 

[butchersapron]

Ah, so if you can't 'win' your 'argument' why not use smears instead? That's butchersapron: liar and smear artist.

So you actually have proof of what I posted and then edited? Er, no you don't...and that's rich coming from someone who is so dishonest that they have to resort to demonisations to get their own way.

This is what you posted nino:

How? I didn't realise that they were exempt from playing the sort of tricks that the republicans get up to - what with them being pure as the driven snow of course.

Is this a question? No, it isn't.

Nino, it's ok to get things wrong. It's ok that you made a mistake, it's ok to try and cover it up and pretend that it didn't happen. I really don't mind.

If anyone has nything to contribute about potential demcrat tricks, feel free to jump in.

 

[nino_savatte]

You never make a mistake? You're perfect? You're a liar.

 

[butchersapron]

That's it - ignore it and it never happened

 

[nino_savatte]

butchersapron or Demonisations 'r' Us.

 

[nino_savatte]

You seem more concerned with petty matters than real issues, apron. Par for the course.

 

[nino_savatte]

That's it - ignore it and it never happened

Translated: I have nothing to offer and I'm trying to cover up for it by mocking my opponent.

 

[nino_savatte]

So why are you such a drama queen, butch?

 

[nino_savatte]

Voter suppression already taking place

Georgia's Secretary of State Promotes Voter Challenges and Refuses to Extend Early Voting Hours

This isn't Handel's first brush with voter suppression charges. Early last month, voter rights groups brought a suit against Handel after she threatened to purge over 4,500 voters from the rolls because their citizenship had been questioned.

This Tuesday, a panel of federal judges said the 4,500 plus flagged voters must be given ballots -- and that Handel must "make diligent and immediate efforts" to inform those voters that had been challenged.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/georgias_secretary_of_state_pr.php

 

[nino_savatte]

GOP claims of ACORN voter fraud bogus

While the Republicans had the distracted media searching for links between Obama and ACORN, RNC operatives were busily completing one of the most massive voter suppression and purging efforts in American history, stealing hundreds of thousands of Democratic votes across the embattled swing states and striving to arrange chaos and endless lines at the voting booths next week

First the facts about ACORN. Months ago, we obtained, as part of our investigation for Rolling Stone magazine, the Republican's list the GOP alleged were the very worst cases of vote and registration fraud by ACORN and similar groups. We went through the names the GOP asserted were "obviously, undeniably and clearly fraudulent" voter registrations.

First, there was Melissa Tais, a dubious ACORN registrant. Her two voter registration forms show, admittedly, suspiciously different signatures. Republicans suggested Melissa was part of a massive fraud to allow Democrats to vote twice.

They were wrong. Ms. Tais, a Cerrillos, New Mexico, waitress, told us she had signed one form on a table and one form holding the paper in her hand. Hence, a second, wobbly signature.

Then there was Patricia White, who Republicans claimed was a fictitious voter. When we filmed her at home in Albuquerque, she seemed real enough.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rober...alast/drinking-the-acorn-koolai_b_138390.html

Meanwhile in Ohio...

Ohio Republicans had sought the lists to challenge voters, but the Ohio Secretary of State, Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, refused the request, saying that numerical errors or misspellings are the probable reason for most of the discrepancies. Forcing these voters to cast provisional ballots would possibly disenfranchise thousands of eligible voters, she said, since these ballots are easier to disqualify.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/ohio-vote-challenge-effort-hits-another-roadblock/

Free and fair elections, my arse. It's time to send in international observers.

 

[ymu]

If anyone has nything to contribute about potential demcrat tricks, feel free to jump in.

They're party political types so they'll stoop to anything, but it's hard to see why you would need to rig an election that your candidate is a huge favourite to win. They can't rig the opinion polls.

Even if they did need to rig it to win, it's a lot harder to disenfranchise Republicans through probability and basic demographic data - I can't think how you'd go about it. Police don't intimidate rich white people. How do you de-register everyone who does *not* share a surname with a felon? You could put fewer voting machines in the richer areas, but the elected county officials might not be too keen to upset the powerful folk and it won't be as effective when the voters you're targeting probably won't lose any income if they have to wait in line all day.

Are there Democrats working to disenfranchise Democrat voters, as in the examples you give from Palast? It doesn't seem likely in this particular election. I can't see an incentive.

Are there Democrats responsible for dodgy voter registration? Undoubtedly yes - not on the scale of the fraudulent claims made about ACORN, but on a similar local scale to every party in every election that's ever held.

 

[HarrisonSlade]

The Republicans have already made steps to rig the election. Most people in the Republiscam Party do not know it, but steps have been taken to completely destroy the character of John McCain.

EH? But 'es the Republican Leader, int ee? Officially speaking? Yes. underneath the surface, he is just an un charismatic fall guy. Barack Obama is much closer to Bush than McCain will ever be. McCain even, before the infamous 2001 election, called GWB a "dangerous idiot". This is payback.

The interview with Colin Powell, where he strangely "predicts" another disaster on 21st January 2009 (watch this space, people), he talks as though Obama is already President. That is because the scene is set for McCain to lose. And who will care? The Republicans can't talk about vote rigging for obvious reasons, the Democrats won't care coz "their man" will be in the Whitehouse and no one else will be able to understand why the Republican Party would purposefully orchestrate their own downfall.

Why Obama rather than McCain? McCain represents a party linked to Bush. Bush has been found to being a crook, a murderer, an imbecile and a man who has created World wide spread fear and hate. Obama represents HOPE and CHANGE. Of course it's all bollocks. Obama is no more a revolutionary, than Bush is a hippy. Obama is just as much a supporter of the National Socialist agenda of Israel. He pretends to not support the war in Afghanistan, but he is politically tied to Zbignew Brzezinski, who, as Jimmy Carter's foreign policy advisor, had manipulated the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, leading to the Taliban, of which sparked off the war Obama is apparently against.

It gives me a headache just thinking about it.

Hope and change can make people feel safe. And when that "hope and change" is snatched away from them, like it was when the CIA brutally murdered John F Kennedy, it is a lot easier to control them.

Obama is nothing else other than a puppet. He has the historical speeches all set up, all the hip celebrities nipping at his ankles and, sadly, all the people looking for something positive fooled.