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Will the New Orleans floods finally bring down Bush?

pbman said:
Like you guys let me go talk shit in UK politics. :rolleyes:

FAce it, this isn't an international thing were you have a slight claim that it affects you.
just how fucking thick are you? Once again; evrything that happens in or to the US affects the whole world, and is therefore evrybody's business. It's an inevitable consequence of superpowerdom.
 
Red Jezza said:
oh well, if Ann Coulter - the most hilariously dishonest columnist in the US - says so, well...... :rolleyes:
oh, and btw; Saddam was 150% the creation of GOP administrations'; specifically messrs Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bush senior

And of course not forgetting that McCarthyism is a "liberal lie/conspiracy". :D
 
pbman said:
Its right next door, and both have a long history of being dominated politicaly by a corrupt democrate machine...........

Its not like i live thousands of miles away on anouther continent.
so you're saying Okie-land and Louisiana are homogeneically identical? because if so, you couldn't be more wrong.
 
Red Jezza said:
errr....Iraq?

I'm still waiting for him to list "every major issue, here in world politics the last few years"(my emphasis) that's he called correctly. I think that the sticking point may be that I require credible evidence rather than just pbmans' say-so.

Luckily for me I'm not holding my breath.
 
let's torment him on this.

pbman said:
Yes i can tell by your track record of predicting things. :rolleyes:

On every major issue, here in world politics the last few years, i called it right and you guys called it wrong.

But you might bullshit some of the FNG's their pretty gullible.
well, leadhead? credible proof? :rolleyes:
 
One question I think will be interesting. Corruption in FEMA and Homeland Security generally. We know these guys are corrupt. Bush clearly appointed his pal Joe Allbaugh to privatise FEMA and we've already seen that some of the contracts went to big party donors.

Allbaugh then went off to help Halliburton and KBR get the Iraq contracts.

Homeland Security was created by sticking together several large agencies and there was loads of money sloshing around by the look of it. I seriously doubt that there is no corruption.

A quick Google turned this up from last July.
The U.S. Homeland Security Department has been hit with a string of embarrassing internal reports of incompetence and corruption, the most recent of which details the arrests of 146 workers and grant recipients and the identification of $18.5 million of improper spending.
 
It's a standing joke among the president's top aides: who gets to deliver the bad news? Warm and hearty in public, Bush can be cold and snappish in private, and aides sometimes cringe before the displeasure of the president of the United States, or, as he is known in West Wing jargon, POTUS. The bad news on this early morning, Tuesday, Aug. 30, some 24 hours after Hurricane Katrina had ripped through New Orleans, was that the president would have to cut short his five-week vacation by a couple of days and return to Washington. The president's chief of staff, Andrew Card; his deputy chief of staff, Joe Hagin; his counselor, Dan Bartlett, and his spokesman, Scott McClellan, held a conference call to discuss the question of the president's early return and the delicate task of telling him. Hagin, it was decided, as senior aide on the ground, would do the deed.

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There are a number of steps Bush could have taken, short of a full-scale federal takeover, like ordering the military to take over the pitiful and (by now) largely broken emergency communications system throughout the region. But the president, who was in San Diego preparing to give a speech the next day on the war in Iraq, went to bed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9287434/
 
He just isn't getting any more popular.
We have a president who is apparently ill-informed, lackadaisical and narrow-minded, surrounded by oil baron cronies, religious fundamentalist crazies and right-wing extremists and ideologues. He has appointed officials who give incompetence new meaning, who replace the positive role of government with expensive baloney.

They rode into office in a highly contested election, spouting a message of bipartisanship but determined to undermine the federal government in every way but defense (and, after 9/11, one presumed, homeland security). One with Grover Norquist, they were determined to shrink Washington until it was "small enough to drown in a bathtub." Katrina has stripped the veil from this mean-spirited strategy, exposing the greed, mindlessness and sheer profiteering behind it.
Baltimore Sun
 
The Moose recently bemoaned the fact that the Oval Office is the playpen of a man-child; he now reconsiders his hasty words:
Clearly, an apology is in order concerning the Moose's application of the "man-child" label on the President. Indeed, it is an insult to the millions of school children who are obligated by their teachers to keep abreast of current events, watch the nightly news and read the front pages of newspapers.

But then again, under the "No Child Left Behind" Act, school children are held accountable with certaimeasurablele standards. To bring along the President, should Congress pass the "No Man-child Left Behind" Act?
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What do you reckon on his chances as "Worst president in US history"?

Harding and Grant are some competition, but personally I think he shades it. Nixon at least had some positive accomplisments, whereas everything Bush has done so far, besides getting re-elected, was total shit.
 
Bernie Gunther said:
What do you reckon on his chances as "Worst president in US history"?

Harding and Grant are some competition, but personally I think he shades it. Nixon at least had some positive accomplisments, whereas everything Bush has done so far, besides getting re-elected, was total shit.
Hoover is the comparison being made by Dems hoping the dismal automation that is Hillary will be the 21st century FDR.

Dubya always looked much like Carter pretending to be Reagan to me. Jimmy is a genuinely good and perhaps great man and so was definately not Presidential material. Carter made Nixon, LBJ, and the vastly over rated JFK look incredibly competent I'm afraid.
 
Bernie Gunther said:
What do you reckon on his chances as "Worst president in US history"?

Harding and Grant are some competition, but personally I think he shades it. Nixon at least had some positive accomplisments, whereas everything Bush has done so far, besides getting re-elected, was total shit.

I agree. Harding was a corporate stooge who filled his cabinet with millionaries (like Bush has) and Grant was a drunken incompetent who allowed the railroad barons to bribe Congress...among other things. Grant was so incompetent that he was taken to the cleaners by unscrupulous 'businessmen'.
 
oi2002 said:
Hoover is the comparison being made by Dems hoping the dismal automation that is Hillary will be the 21st century FDR.

Dubya always looked much like Carter pretending to be Reagan to me. Jimmy is a genuinely good and perhaps great man and so was definately not Presidential material. Carter made Nixon, LBJ, and the vastly over rated JFK look incredibly competent I'm afraid.

I think Hoover's major fault was that he refused to intervene in the Depression, preferring the "rugged individualism" of the American people instead. Perhaps Bush is a composite of Hoover and Harding.
 
editor said:
With all the (predominantly white) rich folks fucking off in their cars before the storm hit leaving the (predominantly black) poor to suffer on their own, the US is sure looking even more like a 'them and us' nation these days...

This tragedy has highlighted the horrendous gulf between the have and the have nots in 'the land of the free' and maybe, just maybe, the enormous media coverage and outcry may lead to some kind of social justice coming out of all this.

Yes, I know. Born optimist, me.


Born optimist, yaeh you said it! lol.

You know, my worst fear is, having been in power for so long, the spin doctors of the republican party will just go through the usual motions to displace political fallout from the center of power. A few governers will be told to fall on their swords, the central figures of the government will hold a public requiem thingy, and all bow their heads in honest-to-goodness-mourning, and three years will be spent in meetings, and revising of laws, and hmming and ahing over trade deficites, until this all becomes one of those crusted over scars that America is sure to bear with pride, or with a brown ribbon around the arm, or a taseful little pin on narrow lapels, or some such thing.
I think the truth of the matter is, with a disaster of such proportions as this, you don't generaly get a steady tide of emotional righteous rage, snowballing until the elected bodies HAVE to be seen to do something outside of their immediate intersests. You get instantaneous rage. I think only something like an unprecedented national cry of no-confidence, and massive demonstrations on the streets, would bring anything like a radical outcome to this.
And, even though the American news sem to have been changing tact, and showing some journalistc balls in the coverage of the disaster, it sems that the response has been largely apathetic (but, as i don't do the internet everyday, nor read news as often as i used to, i may be at fault here).

It would be nice to see justice work , or worm it's way into the metaphorical veins of the Ameican administration, and finally see justice win out, but if this is going to happen it neds to pick up the pace. Now.
 
E. J. Dionne Jr. in the WaPo declares End of the Bush Era:
The Bush Era did not begin when he took office, or even with the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. It began on Sept. 14, 2001, when Bush declared at the World Trade Center site: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." Bush was, indeed, skilled in identifying enemies and rallying a nation already disposed to action. He failed to realize after Sept. 11 that it was not we who were lucky to have him as a leader, but he who was lucky to be president of a great country that understood the importance of standing together in the face of a grave foreign threat. Very nearly all of us rallied behind him.
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And so the Bush Era ended definitively on Sept. 2, the day Bush first toured the Gulf Coast States after Hurricane Katrina. There was no magic moment with a bullhorn. The utter failure of federal relief efforts had by then penetrated the country's consciousness. Yesterday's resignation of FEMA Director Michael Brown put an exclamation point on the failure.
That he identified the wrong enemies kept the wrong friends and would be hanging from a petrol station if he was leader of a more level head people like the Italians does not occur to E.J.
 
Ozric said:
Is this the bailout starting, realising he was fucked if he denied responsibility? :

Bush Takes Responsibility for Blunders

My betting's not, more like a typical 'Hey I'm sorry, I fucked up' with a big smile then business as usual.
It's the "Buck stopps here" line while the subordinates are shown to be utterly incompetent, they get hung out to dry, he acts all abject and apologetic, his presidency survives, republicans pretend the entire thing never happened and gloat that a democratic area has been broken up.
 
It seems the US media and some inside the Bush camp, if only for a short while, have found a couple of teeth.

Evan Thomas's story in Newsweek is headlined: "How Bush Blew It."

"It's a standing joke among the president's top aides: who gets to deliver the bad news? Warm and hearty in public, Bush can be cold and snappish in private, and aides sometimes cringe before the displeasure of the president of the United States," Thomas writes.

In this sort of environment, Bush apparently didn't fathom the extent of the catastrophe in the Gulf Coast for more than three days after the levees of New Orleans were breached.

"The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it might displease the president, did not really sink in until Thursday night. Some White House staffers were watching the evening news and thought the president needed to see the horrific reports coming out of New Orleans. Counselor Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the next morning on Air Force One.

"How this could be -- how the president of the United States could have even less 'situational awareness,' as they say in the military, than the average American about the worst natural disaster in a century -- is one of the more perplexing and troubling chapters in a story that, despite moments of heroism and acts of great generosity, ranks as a national disgrace."

Among Thomas's disclosures: "Bush can be petulant about dissent; he equates disagreement with disloyalty. After five years in office, he is surrounded largely by people who agree with him. . . .

"Late last week, Bush was, by some accounts, down and angry. But another Bush aide described the atmosphere inside the White House as 'strangely surreal and almost detached.' At one meeting described by this insider, officials were oddly self-congratulatory, perhaps in an effort to buck each other up. Life inside a bunker can be strange, especially in defeat."

Mike Allen writes in Time: "Longtime Bush watchers say they are not shocked that he missed his moment -- one of his most trusted confidants calls him 'a better third- and fourth-quarter player,' who focuses and delivers when he sees the stakes. What surprised them was that he still appeared to be stutter-stepping in the second week of the crisis, struggling to make up for past lapses instead of taking control with a grand gesture. Just as Katrina exposed the lurking problems of race and poverty, it also revealed the limitations of Bush's rigid, top-down approach to the presidency. . . .

"Bush's bubble has grown more hermetic in the second term, they say, with fewer people willing or able to bring him bad news -- or tell him when he's wrong. Bush has never been adroit about this. A youngish aide who is a Bush favorite described the perils of correcting the boss. 'The first time I told him he was wrong, he started yelling at me,' the aide recalled about a session during the first term. 'Then I showed him where he was wrong, and he said, "All right. I understand. Good job." He patted me on the shoulder. I went and had dry heaves in the bathroom.' . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/09/12/BL2005091200806_pf.html

and here, what the fuck is he on about?!

Q Did they misinform you when you said that no one anticipated the breach of the levees?

THE PRESIDENT: No, what I was referring to is this. When that storm came by, a lot of people said we dodged a bullet. When that storm came through at first, people said, whew. There was a sense of relaxation, and that's what I was referring to. And I, myself, thought we had dodged a bullet. You know why? Because I was listening to people, probably over the airways, say, the bullet has been dodged. And that was what I was referring to.

Of course, there were plans in case the levee had been breached. There was a sense of relaxation in the moment, a critical moment. And thank you for giving me a chance to clarify that.
 
Would this photo apparently showing Bush needed the toilet at the UN security council have been published by Reuters if his standing had not been damaged so much already?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050914/ids_photos_ts/r2587077477.jpg

Hahhahahahaaaaa, time to find out how much ridicule someone like Bush can take.

Apparently the guy who took that photo was covering New Orleans and only left because his cameras & laptop got stolen. This is what happens when your policies (or lack of action) upset the press I guess!
 
Katrina Has Killed Off Much Of Bush's Second Term Agenda

Watch those numbers sliiiiiide....

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As another poll shows Bush’s approval ratings sliding, it appears that if Iraq hasn't made Bush's second term dicey, Katrina will be the finishing blow. Katrina has apparently given Senate Republicans the exit strategy they were looking for to kill Bush’s Social Security privatization dreams this year and probably next year. Bloomberg reports this morning that several GOP senators are now saying that the cost and work on Katrina will derail any further discussion on getting a Social Security privatization measure out of Congress this year, despite the comments from House GOP wing nuts. I hope DeLay does push through a House GOP privatization measure before the 2006 elections, so that Rahm Emmanuel can beat vulnerable House GOP incumbents over the head with it next year.

As for the latest poll taken through Tuesday night, today it’s the CBS News/New York Times poll which shows that Bush’s approval rating has sunk to 41%, with a new high of 53% disapproving. Again, this poll was taken after the White House spin operation had been in full force for over a week.
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