Will the CWU win?
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes they fucking do! Jesus christ, how many times. It's even been pointed out on this bloody thread.
robbo180265
It's me innit!
Yes we fecking do I'm afraid - this is typical of the rubbish being put about by Royal Mail in an attempt to turn the huge public support we have against us. Luckily only a few are falling for it
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
not the parcels i had delivered today and the one coming tomorrow.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They've got, and always have had, numerous contracts with numerous providers. RM amongst them.
edit: or parcelforce!
edit: or parcelforce!
robbo180265
It's me innit!
Royal Mail don't deliver parcels full stop - that's Parcelforce
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
it's not them either, it's another lot.
and they do deliver stuff from amazon, i've certainly had the usual postie deliver amazon bits in the past.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I get most of my package deliveries via RM rather than Parcelforce or a courier. In fact I generally insist on it because it's more reliable.
robbo180265
It's me innit!
Yeah we deliver "packets" which are the cd's, books and boxed sets etc. Anything large is a parcel normally and that would go via Parcelforce, City Link et al.
We stopped handling parcels in the late 80's when Parcelforce split from letters.
£300 is the average figure. At the high end, redundancies will certainly result.
Bled dry? That's not how private competition works ... it drives prices down, not up. If Royal Mail can make £1.2 billion from the "unprofitable" business it's been left with, there's massive scope to reduce prices to the public, which is exactly what competition can achieve.
As far as I'm concerned, privatisation can't come fast enough.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
or privatisation
robbo180265
It's me innit!
I'm gonna repeat myself here so sorry if you've already read it but:
I work in collections for Royal Mail, I see many large and small businesses during the course of the week. Not one has said how they are facing redundances yet. They do however wish me luck in the fight, ask when the strikes are and generally offer their support.
I'm sure that its making it difficult for some of them , but incase you'd forgotton its pretty difficult for us at the moment, its not like we actually want to throw away a days wages - would you?
Its a last resort to try and get Royal Mail to talk to our union, to try to get them to honour the agreement that was drawn up 2 years ago.
People do not vote for industrial action on a whim, Last week we had a postwoman collapse after perfoming one of Royal Mails new "modern" duties!
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
I had a meeting this morning with about 80 small businesses from the local Chamber of Commerce, the strike was discussed, I was pleasantly surprised at the level of support for the posties and I didn't hear a single person complain about how it was impacting on their business.
I don’t know how it compares to others, but this Chamber is fairly apolitical unlike the FSB, which at national level likes to make a lot of noise and get media coverage in an attempt to justify their existence to their members, I would take whatever their P.R. department is turning out with a pinch of salt TBH.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
If my posts stand out, I would suggest it is precisely because I have NOT got an axe to grind.
Management needs the workforce, the workforce needs the management, neither of them are going anywhere, the sooner they get together and make an agreement, the better for everybody.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Can anyone answer me this question?
robbo180265
It's me innit!
"If the CWU does "win"... how exactly does this make it more or less likely that the govt will go ahead with privatisation and/or the cessation of the universal service?"
Quite frankly the only thing stopping privatisation is you the public. As long as you are against it then its unlikely to happen.
As for privatisation driving prices down - worked well for the trains , gas , telecomms etc , they are sooooo much cheaper than they were when they were nationalised
Quite frankly the only thing stopping privatisation is you the public. As long as you are against it then its unlikely to happen.
As for privatisation driving prices down - worked well for the trains , gas , telecomms etc , they are sooooo much cheaper than they were when they were nationalised
hipipol
Peckham Wry
The majority of people in the UK work for firms that dont make millions
It those samller, old school companies that will be hurt most - they cant afford the overhead of electronic payment systems and rely on cheques
It will make fuck all difference to BP, Sainsbuggers, etc - all the big boys in other words
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
The bills and payments that didn't get through straight away cos of the strike will just dissapear into the ether then?
No. Normal service will be resumed or the massive workforce of agency strikebreakers will get the post delivered. Either way, the monies will still flow. All this dramatic stuff about 'bringing the country to it's knees' is straight out of the 70's book of anti-union cliches
No. Normal service will be resumed or the massive workforce of agency strikebreakers will get the post delivered. Either way, the monies will still flow. All this dramatic stuff about 'bringing the country to it's knees' is straight out of the 70's book of anti-union cliches
hipipol
Peckham Wry
This fucking deranged idea that vital national services, water, gas, elecricity, mail, etc are better off being run by private companies is so damaging to peoples lives I'm astonished that no polititian hasn't spoken out.
Its just become an arguement that no one evers bothers to adress
All these comapnies end up receiving massive Govt subsidies in order to cream the wedge off to pay out to their shareholders, which here in the UK are mainly big institutions running pensions, insurance, etc wedge we, joe normal has given them. WE need better and better results form these money running firms primarily because the the costs via these privatised utlility cos keep going up - its insane!!!!!
Fair play with regard to steel makes, car makers etc but the basics of life should be provided at cost - even fucking George Soros and Warren Buffet think that -hardly wild eyed lefties!!!!!!!
These thiongs are sadly, like most human activity, fashion driven, some fucking daft idea takes hold and at least a generation or two has to pass before any bugger gets round to saying the Emperors got no kit on
Its just become an arguement that no one evers bothers to adress
All these comapnies end up receiving massive Govt subsidies in order to cream the wedge off to pay out to their shareholders, which here in the UK are mainly big institutions running pensions, insurance, etc wedge we, joe normal has given them. WE need better and better results form these money running firms primarily because the the costs via these privatised utlility cos keep going up - its insane!!!!!
Fair play with regard to steel makes, car makers etc but the basics of life should be provided at cost - even fucking George Soros and Warren Buffet think that -hardly wild eyed lefties!!!!!!!
These thiongs are sadly, like most human activity, fashion driven, some fucking daft idea takes hold and at least a generation or two has to pass before any bugger gets round to saying the Emperors got no kit on
hipipol
Peckham Wry
I'm not saying that
What I'm saying that a number of small firms will face difficult cash flow probs - thats all, no one brought to their knees. Just that the ones whose pain might move the Govts arse, ie the big boys, will not be affected at all
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I didn't say that they stand out. I said that you clearly have a position and i find it annoying that you pretend you don't.
There will be delays to 1st class mail but only a couple of days at most.
As i understand it the purpose of the strikes is to cause a massive backlog of Mailsort. Third class advertising letters commonly known as junk mail which are sorted and delivered last.
The big boys will be the ones affected.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
It's been great - where my gf works it's finally allowed them to force the suppliers that still mail them cheques to move over to BACS transfers. So in the short term, it's been brilliant for their business.
As for myself, I hadn't noticed outside of the press coverage. From what I've read about it, management seem fuckheaded about it. But the Posties are going to lose either way - it's just a case of losing less badly? RM is archaic.
As for myself, I hadn't noticed outside of the press coverage. From what I've read about it, management seem fuckheaded about it. But the Posties are going to lose either way - it's just a case of losing less badly? RM is archaic.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Same here. Because I've a moderately severe mobility impairment I do a lot of non-staple shopping via mail order, and have done for the last 15 years or so, and many people, elderly, disabled or not, also do so, hence the massive rise in packet post.
Yup.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
If this plays anything like previous forecasts of losses due to postal strikes, the "millions" will have been over-estimated by at least a factor of three by the likes of the CBI.
It's odd how, however many times strikes that affect business happen, they always manage to over-estimate losses so profoundly. Myself, I wouldn't want people with such poor foresight in charge of a hotdog stand, let alone a large business.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm not. All our mainstream politicians bought into the neo-liberal economic mythology, so very few of them have hairy enough balls to actually row back from that and say "we were wrong, privatisation is a disaster for the consumers".
Especially when so many of the fuckers are hoping for a post-career sinecure on the board of one of the privatised utilities.
Yep, it's insane, but it's also insane to assume that anybody in government or into politics and economics from about 1989-on (perhaps even earlier) didn't realise that this sort of "strip-mining" approach was the logical end-product of privatised utilities.
Pragmatic capitalism. If you're not forking out big money on essentials, you've got more money for consumption of non-essentials
Pretty much, and in the meantime business will be collaborating with political think-tanks and other policy formulators to arrange new and improved waves to fleece us once we've realised that we're looking at the emperor's naked arse.
Like many I support the postal workers completely, but I'm also fairly pessimistic, like articula8 above -- even a short term 'win' for the CWU won't necessarily be sustainable over the longer term, given the determination of the free marketeers to privatise.
bang on!
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