Will support for the BNP grow as a result of qt?
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Prince Rhyus
Spokesman of King Antonio
I dont think it was pathetic at all of the BNP to play the victim card. It was clearly the best tactic and complaining about the undoubted bias was a good move for them.
You say Griffin had the chance to give good answers and fumbled it...Are you sure? What answers do you think he should have given?
He had to on one hand keep the core support happy and on the other de-toxify the brand to potential supporters. If the poll of 22% of people considering voting BNP is to be believed he must have given one of the political displays of the century...
It may have been the most expedient thing for them to do, it doesn't stop it being pathetic in my opinion.
This was not a good performance by a politician hoping to reach a wider audience. He was given ample opportunity to say his piece after each question but he was unable to enunciate his own policies. His reaction was more like a started rabbit staring into the headlights.
Which he failed to do... http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/25/nick-griffin-question-time-bnp
Even some of their own supporters can work out that it wasn't a good performance, such as this one: "It's almost like Nick went on expecting a normal episode of Question Time, it was always going to be a hatchet job and he should have been fully prepared for questions relating to his past. This lack of preparedness left him open to attack and flustered when asked to provide a reply."
That's a big "IF"! The result said that 22% might consider it, 75% wouldn't vote BNP under any circumstances and the remainder were don't knows.
Knowing the way that YouGov do their political polls, it's likely that options were given from definitely no to definitely yes, with variables introduced. For example "Would you consider voting BNP?" a) definitely not; b) if they removed their objections to immigration and non-whites; c) if they accepted all people born here as British citizens with equal rights etc. You get the picture, hopefully. In a nutshell, a YouGov poll doesn't mean jack shit unless you've seen the actual survey rather than a journalist's rehash of the press release. A simple 22% saying they would consider doesn't really cover it. Do you think they will achieve 22% at the next election?
ADDENDUM
Where I do think he scored is that he kept his cool and didn't go off into an angry defensive rant, which would have played right into his opponents' hands. I do think the very fact that he appeared at all will give the BNP a boost in the long run and sets a precedent. But this particular performance is being seen as a "missed opportunity" even by his supporters - if he had prepared for the questions about his past, it was a very poor showing. And if he hadn't prepared, he has no-one to blame but himself for not anticipating them.
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1) yes, 2) no
I guess in the end we all see what we want to see. I read the observer article and thought it was a rubbish piece of journalism...full of spin and a badly concealed attempt at playing down the success of Griffin on question time.
As for the you gov poll do you really believe that they posed the question as if b) they removed their objections to immigration!!!!!!!!!!
Have you any idea of just how unpopular mass migration is in the UK?
And no i dont believe that the BNP will get anything like 22% at the next election..5% would be a brilliant result for them.....But that is hardly the point.
The real hope for them will be that they will be able to increase their membership and get more and more councillors and MEPs elected. If things go well for them they could hold the balance of power in councils up and down the country.
I've just moved back down to London after five years in a remote Yorkshire town that has allegedly had its population almost doubled in that time due mainly to migration from Eastern Europe, so yes I'm all too aware of how unpopular mass migration is in parts of the UK.
See my "addendum" to my post above for the rest of what I think about Griffin's performance.
But regardless of whether Griffin's QT performance was good or bad, I think the revelations of this former Labour adviser will help the BNP big time: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...K-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
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sunset spires and twilight woods
either the population of the village doubled while you were there or it didn't. surely you noticed if there was such a drastic change in the number of people there?
I was there for a little longer than five years, having moved up in 2003. I say "allegedly" because I can't be certain of the accuracy of the figures. The 10,000 dates back to the 2001 census and it was about 13,000 in 2004 according to the ONS. I can't remember the source for the local rag claim for the most recent figure (about 20,000). And no, that isn't quite double, I was going by the old figure of 10,000.
There are certainly visible signs of major expansion, especially in terms of house-building. There are lots of new-build developments where I can truthfully say "I remember when all this were fields". So there is at least some truth to the population expanding there and there are plenty of bilingual English-Polish signs at the doctor's surgery, council offices, supermarkets etc and you certainly hear Polish being spoken in Tescos etc, so some of this expansion is due to immigration. There have been one or two minor skirmishes between locals and Polish migrants.
The BNP put up five candidates there in the local elections in June, each getting between 8 and 10.5% of the vote.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I grew up in a small town in South Wales, which doubled in size while I lived there. When I go back now, I can point to many different places that used to be fields.
It wasn't Poles that were moving there, though. Is it expansion that people dislike, or just the funny foreigners?
Well, this particular North Yorkshire town had been unaccustomed to any significant immigration in living memory, unlike much of West Yorkshire which has had Irish, Jewish, Asian and other immigrants for centuries. Having previously always lived in multi-racial towns and cities, I have to say it did feel a bit odd to be living in what was (and still is) an almost exclusively white area when I moved up.
I didn't really notice the first influx of Poles when the EU expanded.
I first became aware of it when a DJ I got to know in the town told me of a fracas between a group of locals and a group of Poles. I was quite oblivious to the tensions that had been going on under my nose up until then. But increasingly I got to hear the usual "they're taking our jobs, they're only here for the benefits, they're living eight to a house etc etc" stuff.It's only in the past couple of years that the BNP have started putting up candidates and those are alarmingly high percentages to me. There are parts of Yorkshire and Lancashire that have much bigger problems than this little town, but I at least have had a flavour of the ugly mood that is gripping parts of the UK.
The answer will be in fortcoming by elections ove rnext few months
They are defending 2 seats in Epping Forest and Nuneaton where their councillors have resigned- will they retain the seats?
Glasgow NE? Will they beat one of more of the major parties (beat Liberasl there in the Euros and came within 20 votes of beating the tories)
They are defending 2 seats in Epping Forest and Nuneaton where their councillors have resigned- will they retain the seats?
Glasgow NE? Will they beat one of more of the major parties (beat Liberasl there in the Euros and came within 20 votes of beating the tories)
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
YouGov voting intentions, bnp +1%.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Curious that a government known for its control freakery when it comes to all matters media related, allowed their state broadcaster to make such a fudge of the issue and picked Jack Straw, of all people, to represent them.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What are you suggesting?
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Unless anyone can think of a reason why it would suit the Labour Party to raise the profile of the BNP, nothing. I just can't get over how they managed to fudge a recorded program in such a hideous fashion.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh come on, just say it,
The Black Hand
Unclean
I think you misunderstand the levels of freedom there actually are in Britain, qualified tbs, variable too, but it's there...
I think the sides will have hardened, I thought Griffin laughed very innapropriately too often, especially when serious issues were mentioned. That will not go down well with 'traditional waverers' who think that there should be respect in politics. He came across as a student actually at this point, an immature prankster.
or maybe it shows you how clueless they are?
But more likely they wouldn't want anyone decent like Dennis Skinner getting the job cos it would show the leadership up for the cunts they are by comparison
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Never quite got my head round this issue that without mass immigration that somehow we would be less enriched, less attractive and less cosmopolitan.
I think they based their decision on fielding Straw on what they saw as his ability to take them on in debate and understand and defeat pro nazi ish arguements. Blackburn ( where hes MP) used to be a bit of a fash stronghold i think in the early 70s they were the first town to have a fascist cllr....
But he proved that you have to move with the times and the debate on immigration can no longer be so easily understood as anti immigration racist etc......Most Black and Asian people think the mainstream parties have been far too keen to see mass migration.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
he can't help himself.TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
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A great incisive political comment by RMP3 again.....Everybody's least favourite socialist shitfer
audiotech
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National party. Had two seats one held by John Kingsley Read. Their other councillor was disqualified for election irregularities. Pretty poor performance in elections.
rmp3 is a goodf lad .. agree with you more than him on a lot of stuff, but too many unneccessary comments like this on urban
indeed, but other polls indicate that their actualy policies as opposed to them, are as popular as ever
the key test i think will be Glasgow NE, and if they can beat either tories or liberals there- soemthing i think may happen
The39thStep
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