Will support for the BNP grow as a result of qt?

[littlebabyjesus]

In other words, they interviewed lots of people and chose to show one anti and one pro in some kind of exercise of 'balance'. Such exercises are worthless.

 

[Grandma Death]

The C4 news had two vox-pops from Burnley, one pro and one anti, the anti mentioned the fact he was rarely able to speak uninterrupted and didn't appear tobe too happy with that. That the one you mean?

...not sure. Ive watched Sky, C4, BBC and Ive been listening to bits of R4 today as well.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

the whole gig is a media circus. i doubt it will change their support, but might firm it up among those who see themselves as victims in some way. i am amazed that the media has got so carried away by one bloke appearing on a fairly dull show.

days and days of front pages. we have to ask ourselves what the fuck that is about, especially from right wing filth who have given the fash such a leg up with their systematic lying about migrant cases and such. they throw their hands up in horror at ng, like the express. they doth protest too much.

 

[Grandma Death]

i am amazed that the media has got so carried away by one bloke appearing on a fairly dull show.

days and days of front pages. we have to ask ourselves what the fuck that is about, especially from right wing filth who have given the fash such a leg up with their systematic lying about migrant cases and such. they throw their hands up in horror at ng, like the express. they doth protest too much.

Top post...spesh this bit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Personally i think it will. Last night was massively important for them and helped them loads.

Care to explain why you believe this to be the case?

 

[Grandma Death]

Care to explain why you believe this to be the case?

...well its a high profile programme. Their membership has gone up (not sure whether numbers are accurate or not) and the times poll tomorrow shows their popularity has risen. I accept thats may not translate into votes though.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Your sure you dont mean Jack Straw?
I think Griffin enjoyed every single minute of it. He unlike a lot of the dimwits on here knows that to build support you try first to appeal to those closest to you.
And the programme gave him a great opportunity to reach out to hundreds of thousands of potential new supporters....
He really doesnt need to give 2 shits about what liberal types think of him.

You sound as if you're sexually-attracted to him, balders.
Hoping he'll pop his glass eye out and blink you off?

 

[ViolentPanda]

...well its a high profile programme. Their membership has gone up (not sure whether numbers are accurate or not) and the times poll tomorrow shows their popularity has risen. I accept thats may not translate into votes though.

Yes, but I don't see where the terms "massively important" and "helped them loads" feature in that.
Balders is hyperbolising, as usual. Sure it'll have been helpful to them; any publicity that isn't entirely negative is helpful to them. The thing that will be "massively important" to the BNP will be whether they can parley this single appearance into a regular/semi-regular thing and so legitimise their politics in the eyes of more of the public. The fact that their leader appeared on a programme based around debate on current affairs, however, isn't "massively important".

 

[Grandma Death]

Yes, but I don't see where the terms "massively important" and "helped them loads" feature in that.
Balders is hyperbolising, as usual. Sure it'll have been helpful to them; any publicity that isn't entirely negative is helpful to them. The thing that will be "massively important" to the BNP will be whether they can parley this single appearance into a regular/semi-regular thing and so legitimise their politics in the eyes of more of the public. The fact that their leader appeared on a programme based around debate on current affairs, however, isn't "massively important".

Well I see it as massively important because its acceptance by the 'mainstream' into the 'mainstream'....QT is (no matter what ppl think) a high profile. They had a platform of 8 million viewers last night...an unprecedented platform for them.

 

[audiotech]

This. ^

 

[revlon]

Well I see it as massively important because its acceptance by the 'mainstream' into the 'mainstream'....QT is (no matter what ppl think) a high profile. They had a platform of 8 million viewers last night...an unprecedented platform for them.

and it was front page headline news on every newspaper the day after

 

[butchersapron]

Poll Finds Voters 'Considering' Voting BNP

More than a fifth of voters would consider voting for the British National Party according to the first opinion poll taken since the controversial appearance of Nick Griffin on Question Time.

Taken in the hours after Mr Griffin's appearance, the YouGov poll for The Daily Telegraph found 22 per cent of voters would seriously consider voting BNP in a future local, general or European election.

Two thirds said that they would not be considering voting BNP under any circumstances, with the rest unsure.

More than half of those questioned said that they agreed with the BNP, or thought that the party had a point, in wishing to speak up for the interests of the indigenous, white British people which successive governments have done far too little to protect.

This included 43 per cent who said that while they shared some of its concerns, they had no sympathy for the party itself.

Twelve per cent said that they completely agreed with the BNP and supported the party's decision to speak up, while 38 per cent said that they disagree totally with the BNP's political outlook.

Rest of the thing is pretty much in line with previous polls if i remember rightly.

 

[Stavrogin]

i am amazed that the media has got so carried away by one bloke appearing on a fairly dull show.

they throw their hands up in horror at ng, like the express. they doth protest too much.

A self congratulatory attack on the symptoms whilst the genuine problems slink by unaddressed.


Something funny occured to me though. Littlejohn apparently declined appearing and wrote a column about it criticising the BBC.. and yet when he had his own fox news style show on Sky he had Griffin on.

Given that the Tories will probably win the next election and the BBC will face an onslaught whilst independant news sources get more leeway; we'll shurely shee more shows like Littlejohn's and more platforms for lunacy.

 

[weltweit]

from the poll quoted by butchers:

"More than half of those questioned said that they agreed with the BNP, or thought that the party had a point, in wishing to speak up for the interests of the indigenous, white British people which successive governments have done far too little to protect."

On BBC News at 10 they said 43% of those polled believed this.

either way, that is a lot of people in sympathy with what is effectively the BNP's central tennent.

 

[FreddyB]

read Butchers post again, it says exactly the same thing

 

[tbaldwin]

Care to explain why you believe this to be the case?

I think if you look at political parties making breakthroughs they do it usually in stages...And the BNP to me seem to have reached a very important stage.
Millions of people watched their leader last night most had never heard him speak at length. He got the chance to play the victim,the innocent and the rebel...
You know ive been watching Nick and the BNPs progress for years. 20 years ago the BNP was almost a complete irrelevance even on the far right. 10 years ago Griffin was in a tiny group of third positionists...

The progress made by both has been steady to say the least. But now they have a real chance to speed up that progress.. Every political party needs publicity and the BNP have always known that. Sadly many of their so called opponents kept giving them publicity which helped them attract supporters.
Now they have built a base wherethey can reach out to more possible converts, win more council seats and possibly hold the balance of power on many councils.


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[weltweit]

Indeed there is precedent for far right parties making significant headway, look at France.

 

[butchersapron]

Here's the Telegraph story Uk polling report have a quick critical look and it appears i did remember right, that this is in line with other recent polls:

Anyway, the poll will really be looked at for evidence of how the BNP’s Question Time appearance has gone down, rather than the main parties. As well as voting intention, YouGov asked whether people had positive or negative opinions of the smaller parties – questions that it last asked in June straight after the European elections. Back then 11% of people had a positive impression of the BNP and 72% a negative impression, today’s figures are 9% positive and 71% negative, so no sign of any improvement in people’s opinion of the BNP either. Despite all the hoohah and protests, despite the millions of people who watched Question Time, it doesn’t seem to have made any significant difference to how the public view them, or how likely they are to support them (or at least, not yet).

Asked how likely people would be to vote BNP in a future local, general or European election. 66% said there were no circumstances at all, 15% said it was “possible”, which I suspect is more of a “never say never answer”. More significant are the 7% who would definitely or probably consider voting BNP at some point in the future.

 

[TylerD]

I've gone for "Probably not sure". I know it's woolly and vague, but there isn't anything concrete to say they definitely gained from it, at least in the short term.

It probably does help them in the longer term as a precedent has been set, just as it was for Le Pen in France in the 80s. But this wasn't exactly the PR coup that Griffin had hoped for.

I think he gave Jack Straw a bloody nose in the (rather childish) "what did your daddy do in the war" exchange but other than that Griffin seemed to be floundering a bit, looking distinctly shifty and uncomfortable throughout. The political panellists in general were pretty rubbish, I thought. Bonnie Greer was the undoubted star of the show.

It's a bit pathetic of the BNP to play the "victim" card. Yes, it was a circus and it didn't follow the usual QT format - but what the hell did they expect? Boo bloody hoo for them if the audience didn't ask the questions they wanted to be asked - Griffin had the opportunity to give good answers and he fumbled it, he only has himself to blame for that.

So I think it's fair to say that it's not the propaganda victory they wanted - but I still think the precedent thing will help them in the longer term.

 

[audiotech]

Griffin's mother-in-law support is wavering as she 'thinks he could do with a damned good slap'.

source.

 

[Gavin Bl]

Poll today shows 22% would consider voting BNP....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8323638.stm

Two-thirds of the 1,314 people polled by YouGov for the Daily Telegraph dismissed voting for the party under any circumstances, with the rest unsure.

However, more than half of those polled said they agreed or thought the party had a point in speaking up for the interests of indigenous, white British people.

Setting him up for an obvious kicking not such a great idea after all.

 

[butchersapron]

This is interesting and will udoubtdly give further ammo to the BNP as it fully supports their 'we weren't asked' line:

Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser

The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.

He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".

 

[audiotech]

The article also mentions another reason, 'to plug labour market gaps', which is the main determinant here.

 

[butchersapron]

The article actually says that the economic reasons were partly flimsy cover for a political motovation, not that it was the real reason. I'm not arguing that the article is 'correct' - i'm saying it provides support for one of the main mobilising narratives of the BNP.

 

[butchersapron]

That full (pro-immigration) article is here.

 

[sonny61]

The BNP are the number 1 for top ten searches on Yahoo today, which could be an indication of potential growth.
Just read the SUN, they really go for Griffin, insults flying, saying his appearance was a disaster for Griffin and the BNP.
In contrast to the Mail which thinks QT, and the way it became a bear pit against Griffin, will have got him a lot of sympathy.

 

[Grandma Death]

Just been to get my grunaid and spent ten minutes in the newsagent reading the other papers. It looks like the BBC have egg all over their face-the impartiality argument they used to justify his appearance is clearly falling to bits considering how stage managed and partial the whole thing was. According to the Mail or Express (not sure which one) the audience were told to forget the questions they e mailed in and ask short and provocative questions...there also seems a general consensus that the audience were hand picked by the BBC too.

Ive watched QT twice since thursday night to reflect and digest. As much as I hate griffin the way he was cut off, harrassed and dealt with was pretty disgusting actually.

 

[weltweit]

Well Question Time has never had a one topic theme for the whole hour before. It was BNP BNP and more BNP.. the Post strike for example was not even mentioned.

 

[Cheesypoof]

theres two questions to consider here

1. is britain ripe for change and people frustrated?

and

2. is nick griffin a good leader? (as in charismatic speaker)

the answers to those will tell you.

 

[audiotech]