Will support for the BNP grow as a result of qt?

[FreddyB]

I'd be really pleased if I was the subject of headlines like 'A disgrace to humanity'

In fact he's so pleased that he's complained to the BBC, calling Question Time 'a lynch mob'.

Whinging lightweight twat

He's not far off albeit a pisspoor lynch mob. Last night did him no harm at all

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Still, "Yes, he was in a Ku Klux Klan, but it was one of the non violent ones" has to be the quote of the year. My friend and I have been joking about it all day.

"I ran a Siberian gulag in stalinist russia, but my inmates got warm showers every second Thursday".

 

[Pickman's model]

He got his message across to lots of potential supporters.

what message was that then? that no one likes him?

 

[weltweit]

He got across criticism of Islam and immigration and started to get in his views on the indiginous British and their rights.

Waverers seeing those points come across could well be persuaded.

As to the stuff in todays papers, lurid headlines and probably made up reports, it is all publicity of a kind. People who have never heard of the BNP, I expect there are some, may no try to find out more as an election looms.

It was certainly not a shafting for Griffin as some might suggest.

 

[danny la rouge]

Jim Wolfreys, despite the wider problems with his approach summed it up before the program quite well, and i would suggest that those who cannot understand that others could possibly think differently than them about this take heed:

Aye. And this was already happening on the programme: A craven political elite that capitulated to FN myths on law and order, immigration and asylum further enhanced this status.

 

[Spion]

Jim Wolfreys, despite the wider problems with his approach summed it up before the program quite well, and i would suggest that those who cannot understand that others could possibly think differently than them about this take heed:

I think that's fair enough. Tho it would also be a mistake to over-egg that pudding. I think many people are put off by NG's fundamental contraventions of what many people take to be basic issues in a democratic society on race etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

He got across criticism of Islam and immigration and started to get in his views on the indiginous British and their rights.

Waverers seeing those points come across could well be persuaded.

As to the stuff in todays papers, lurid headlines and probably made up reports, it is all publicity of a kind. People who have never heard of the BNP, I expect there are some, may no try to find out more as an election looms.

It was certainly not a shafting for Griffin as some might suggest.

and on the other hand he came across as a complete wanker for his confused answer on holocaust denial; he redefined who could stay if the bnp won; he was forced to backtrack on a number of areas and he made somewhat of a prat of himself on the question of the bbc. not to mention the non-violent kkk

 

[tbaldwin]

what message was that then? that no one likes him?

No his message was the BNP are different we are not the same as the establishment..We are on your side!

 

[FreddyB]

One of the biggest issues is immigration if not the biggest as it links in with other issues like housing and employment. Straw's defence of the Labour position was cringe worthy, the Libdem position is the same as Labours, or it was the Tory was better. Griffin and the BNP are completely unambiguous.

That came across last night even with the abuse he got a bit from that black lad. It did him no harm and all the attention will do him a lot of good.

 

[kyser_soze]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...o-offer-free-didgeridoo-lessons-200910232162/

 

[danny la rouge]

I think many people are put off by NG's fundamental contraventions of what many people take to be basic issues in a democratic society on race etc.

Of course. There's no doubt about that. But there are others who are not, even though they may not have considered voting BNP, and others still who are going to give him more of a hearing because they perceive last night's show a stitch up and a lynching.

 

[danny la rouge]

and on the other hand he came across as a complete wanker for his confused answer on holocaust denial; he redefined who could stay if the bnp won; he was forced to backtrack on a number of areas and he made somewhat of a prat of himself on the question of the bbc. not to mention the non-violent kkk

You and I see that. But that isn't the show other people saw. Real people I have been speaking to today.

(And, btw, the holocaust denial thing was properly screwed up by the panel. And he managed to say enough to reframe the issue in enough people's minds).

 

[weltweit]

While the press publicity today has been negative in specifics, the idea that any publicity is good publicity may have some weight. Now today, everyone has an excuse to talk about the BNP!

That was not the case before.

 

[kyser_soze]

In a dry and academic sense, you could have a discussion about how the Holocaust achieved it's unique historical position re: genocides, and how challanges to the uniqueness of it's horror can/should be dealt with, if they should be dealt with at all (sorry to anyone on this, but the historical position of the holocaust as a uniquely horrible genocide doesn't really hang too well).

BUT

Griffin, Irving and their ilk aren't the people to be having that debate.

 

[danny la rouge]

In a dry and academic sense, you could have a discussion about how the Holocaust achieved it's unique historical position re: genocides, and how challanges to the uniqueness of it's horror can/should be dealt with, if they should be dealt with at all (sorry to anyone on this, but the historical position of the holocaust as a uniquely horrible genocide doesn't really hang too well).

BUT

Griffin, Irving and their ilk aren't the people to be having that debate.

Indeed. C/F Finkelstein's book, The Holocaust Industry.

 

[DotCommunist]

where do you think the bnp take votes from? disgruntled tories?

/what was he saying last night that would appeal to anyone on the left?

 

[mozzy]

What worries me is that i live in Hull and in the last 5-8 years, for the first time ever, this city has finally caught up with the rest of the UK and is finally starting to develop an ethnic community. We have now got a mixture of Afghan, Iraqi, Kurds, Turks, Poles, Slovakians, etc. come here and this is something alot of locals are really finding hard to deal with.

I am pleased that cities like Hull are changing, but listening some locals, like taxi drivers, shop workers, industrial workers, and going out into the estates and listeing to the youngun's like, they are soooooo spiteful, resentful and racist, it is sickening and frightening.

I am scared that lasts nights programme, and today's papers, will draw emapthy towards NG big time from these people as they will feel sorry for him and think aload of posh twats like the rest of the panel were picking on him cause he cares about their views cause he is not posh and stuck up. (Not my views like!)

Again, i no way agree with this line of thinking but I was in A&E this moring, and was listeing (well, ear wigging!) to the views of some people, and many are feeling sorry for him and want to know more about him.

I hope the view that this will be all forgotton about in a few weeks is true and the facist pig will show himself up to be just this.

 

[Pickman's model]

/what was he saying last night that would appeal to anyone on the left?

the simple fact of the matter is that the bnp take votes from the labour party's traditional supporters, the white working class. if you look at where they've had good success it's places like barking and dagenham, hardly tory strongholds.

 

[Pickman's model]

You and I see that. But that isn't the show other people saw. Real people I have been speaking to today.

(And, btw, the holocaust denial thing was properly screwed up by the panel. And he managed to say enough to reframe the issue in enough people's minds).

i'm pleased to hear you've been speaking to real people, but i'm concerned at the implication that you sometimes speak to imaginary people.

 

[Joe Reilly]

/what was he saying last night that would appeal to anyone on the left?

What was anyone saying last night that would appeal to anyone other than the supporters of the status quo?

 

[butchersapron]

Burnley residents dismiss Question Time 'witch-hunt' of Nick Griffin

Nick Griffin and the BNP won the sympathy vote overwhelmingly today outside Burnley market, where their march towards local councils and the European parliament began.

Peter Simpson, 61, and looking for work after losing his fitter's job in an aircraft components plant (the town's biggest industry), said: "It was a very unusual Question Time. This Griffin nearly got my sympathy and I don't like the BNP.

 

[tbaldwin]

for those that watched Griffin looked weak, feeble, dishonest, weird, creepy, scared, confused and evasive.

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Your sure you dont mean Jack Straw?
I think Griffin enjoyed every single minute of it. He unlike a lot of the dimwits on here knows that to build support you try first to appeal to those closest to you.
And the programme gave him a great opportunity to reach out to hundreds of thousands of potential new supporters....
He really doesnt need to give 2 shits about what liberal types think of him.

 

[belboid]

the simple fact of the matter is that the bnp take votes from the labour party's traditional supporters, the white working class. if you look at where they've had good success it's places like barking and dagenham, hardly tory strongholds.

they have won several former tory wards, the constituency with the largest bnp membership is tory. yes, they obviously get a lot of white working class voters, but a lot of traditioinal tory twats too

 

[berniedicters]

Well, that's that then. The honourable member for White Working Class Norf, Mr Arfur Facking-Word has spoken

 

[Stoat Boy]

I think it will help solidify the support the BNP already has and if they play the whole persecution angle right, which they seem to be doing with this complaint, then they could draw in some undecideds but not massive amounts.

 

[weltweit]

It has to be seen as the start of their electioneering for next year. Personally I doubt there will be many better publicity opportunities for the BNP between now and election time. So this kicks it all off and they are in the spotlight, at least for now.

 

[weltweit]

It is interesting that Question Time said they would have Griffin on, because the BNP had reached a level of support in the country to make that logical, they said nothing about making a whole programme about the BNP which is what they in fact did.

They never make a whole programme about the Lib Dems or Conservative or Labour. Nick Griffin was treated significantly differently to any other Question Time pannelists.

 

[Grandma Death]

According to a poll into tomorrows times their popularity has increased since QT.

 

[Grandma Death]

Burnley residents dismiss Question Time 'witch-hunt' of Nick Griffin

The view was mixed in Burnley according to some TV networks today.

 

[butchersapron]

The C4 news had two vox-pops from Burnley, one pro and one anti, the anti mentioned the fact he was rarely able to speak uninterrupted and didn't appear tobe too happy with that. That the one you mean?