Will Oona King fuck off

[Fullyplumped]

I don't think so - there's no doubt her race, gender and Jewishness was used in a disgusting way by Galloway and his little helpers the swappies in the election campaign, but part of the reason she gets so much shit is that she is the epitome of the New Labour 'say anything to help my career' '97 intake.

She has zero credibility as a conviction politician and she's single-mindedly ambitious. That's why her quote is quite believeable. Anyway, if it was a joke, she needs to practice her repertoire. A media career is one thing, but she won't be doing stand up any time soon.

So she's ambitious and not a talented comedian. Are these bad things to be? Most white male politicians are also ambitious and unfunny but they don't get the attitude Ms King gets.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Of course theres no doubt, which is why even the most mad dog Respectophobes have yet to provide a shred of evidence that they were!

She's said it herself. But should black women be believed about things like this? You seem to think not.

 

[greenfield]

So she's ambitious and not a talented comedian. Are these bad things to be? Most white male politicians are also ambitious and unfunny but they don't get the attitude Ms King gets.

That's fairy nuff actually, I agree.

 

[Boogie Boy]

She is fit though.

Hell NO!!!!!!

BB

 

[littlebabyjesus]

she voted for the war, like a lot of labour mps did, and defended doing so-unlike a lot of labour mps did. then later she changed her mind

She actively campaigned for the war. If she has since changed her mind, then the only honourable thing to do is to dedicate herself to rectifying her dreadful mistake. 600,000 dead and counting... there's a lot to rectify.

Every MP who voted for the war would be given a decade of complusory community service if I had anything to do with it. This has nothing to do with her race.

 

[grogwilton]

She's said it herself. But should black women be believed about things like this? You seem to think not.

No, why should I place any more trust in a New Labour hack (who's trying to explain why theyve lost a safe seat, nothing to do with new labour, nothing to do with the war, hush now, dont mention the war, it MUST be becasue Galloway played the race card) just because they are female and black?

King could have the decency to lose with a bit of grace. If she didnt want to lose her seat then she should have fucking listened to her constituents and opposed the war. But then that would have sunk her Labour Party climbing career wouldnt it?

 

[Fullyplumped]

No, why should I place any more trust in a New Labour hack (who's trying to explain why theyve lost a safe seat, nothing to do with new labour, nothing to do with the war, hush now, dont mention the war, it MUST be becasue Galloway played the race card) just because they are female and black?

King could have the decency to lose with a bit of grace. If she didnt want to lose her seat then she should have fucking listened to her constituents and opposed the war. But then that would have sunk her Labour Party climbing career wouldnt it?

She lost her seat because more people voted for Galloway. Those who voted for him were influenced by a racist and sexist campaign which involved intimidating her and emphasising sectarianism.

 

[tim]

Who is she? And why is she on the front of my G2?

She's the type of person you would expect to find on the front of your G2

 

[mk12]

She lost her seat because more people voted for Galloway. Those who voted for him were influenced by a racist and sexist campaign which involved intimidating her and emphasising sectarianism.

There may have been an element of that (I don't know for sure, I wasn't involved in the campaign). But I can bet that on issues such as housing and the war, Respect struck a chord with people.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Those who voted for him were influenced by a racist and sexist campaign which involved intimidating her and emphasising sectarianism.

Such is her claim, which is rather longer on allegation than on detail.

 

[grogwilton]

She lost her seat because more people voted for Galloway. Those who voted for him were influenced by a racist and sexist campaign which involved intimidating her and emphasising sectarianism.

What part of the campaign was racist, sexist or encouraged sectarianism? Im looking for some hard evidence, not just whats come out of the mouths of Labour Party activists. If you dont think the LP are gonna lie about stuff like this to smear opponents you really need to get involved in some electoral politics, or just politics in general.

And could you please define intimidating? I think pretty much any political campaign could be defined as 'intimidating' if you choose to, and Im sure Oona being a career politician has done a fair bit of 'intimidating' herself.

King and her supporters were attacked by an Islamist group during the election, none of whom had any connection with the Respect campaign, shown by the fact that they also attacked Galloway and threatened to string him and his wife up on the spot.

 

[chymaera]

shown by the fact that they also attacked Galloway and threatened to string him and his wife up on the spot.

Some people saw through him before the election then?

 

[Fullyplumped]

What part of the campaign was racist, sexist or encouraged sectarianism?

"Galloway is all over me like a rash. The Respect lot go out and imply to my Muslim community that I shoot Muslim babies between the eyes. They've even superimposed my head on to a photograph of a man driving a tank. It's gone through everyone's letter box. And they point out that I'm Jewish, there's a Jewish world conspiracy and I must be part of it. They shout 'Murderer! Murderer!' all the time."​

And could you please define intimidating? I think pretty much any political campaign could be defined as 'intimidating' if you choose to, and Im sure Oona being a career politician has done a fair bit of 'intimidating' herself.

The death threats.​

 

[FridgeMagnet]

You can't seriously be claiming that an article in the Mail (notorious lovers of Galloway) penned by the woman herself constitutes any sort of evidence.

I don't particularly mind her, she's hardly the _most_ offensive New Labour MP, but I need a bit more than the usual smears, which were flying about at the time even worse than that.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

So the evidence is - claims by Oona King.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I don't particularly mind her, she's hardly the _most_ offensive New Labour MP, but I need a bit more than the usual smears, which were flying about at the time even worse than that.

I seem to remember Harry's Place excelling even their standards.

 

[Fullyplumped]

You can't seriously be claiming that an article in the Mail (notorious lovers of Galloway) penned by the woman herself constitutes any sort of evidence.

Well the issue was whether her race, gender and Jewishness were an issue. Grogwilton suggested that "even the most mad dog Respectophobes have yet to provide a shred of evidence that they were".

It seems to me that her own testimony as to what Respect and its hangers on did to her is a pretty good shred. She works as a journalist and makes some or all of her living from that trade - the newspaper in which her signed article is printed ought to be irrelevant. I somehow doubt if the Islington Socially Concerned Citizen's Journal or whatever would pay as well, or get such a readership, as the Daily Mail. If you were a semi or fully professional journalist (and I don't know if you are, honest) needing to pay the electricity bill, would you turn up your nose at the Daily Mail?

 

[Fullyplumped]

So the evidence is - claims by Oona King.

Should a victim of crime not be allowed to have her own testimony heard?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

It seems to me that her own testimony as to what Respect and its hangers on did to her is a pretty good shred. She works as a journalist and makes some or all of her living from that trade - the newspaper in which her signed article is printed ought to be irrelevant. I somehow doubt if the Islington Socially Concerned Citizen's Journal or whatever would pay as well, or get such a readership, as the Daily Mail. If you were a semi or fully professional journalist (and I don't know if you are, honest) needing to pay the electricity bill, would you turn up your nose at the Daily Mail?

That's a perfectly good argument for writing in the Mail but not one to support the truth of what she says.

 

[Fullyplumped]

That's a perfectly good argument for writing in the Mail but not one to support the truth of what she says.

Do you disbelieve her?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Should a victim of crime not be allowed to have her own testimony heard?

What a bizarre reply. Allowing something to speak and them being convincing are somehow the same thing?

 

[grogwilton]

My! A picture of her head on a man driving a tank?! Sweet Jesus, what other sick ideas will the baby eaters think of next? If you dont want to be associated with war, dont vote for one against the will of your constituents.

The rest is just what shes saying. Maybe she could provide some of the material in which it was being pointed out that she was Jewish? Or maybe some video footage or anything in fact that proves that what she is saying isnt just a pack of fucking lies. Given how eager the LP were to smear Respect, and how much they would have valued having hard evidence of it, I really have trouble being taken in by their disgusting smears when there is not one. single. piece. of. evidence. proving. theyre. true.

The death threats probably came from Hizb Ut Tahir. The same group that sent death threats to Galloway. Respect didnt need a sectarian campaign to win, all they needed to do was show how King had screwed Tower Hamlets by supporting New Labours housing 'reform' policies, and screwed Iraq by gunning for invading it.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Do you disbelieve her?

Frankly, yes. Until she comes up with some convincing evidence I'm not really in a position to do otherwise. Unsupported testimony is like that.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I seem to remember Harry's Place excelling even their standards.

Oh god, I'm not even going to go back into their archives, I'll vomit.

Reading through that whole Mail piece, I can't help but feel a bit sorry for her initially; she sounds nice enough, and it's a complete mismatch, her vs Galloway, particularly in that constituency and with her record. But then I think about her record and what that actually _means_, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the misery of millions more, and somehow the sympathy just vanishes. It's about more than just some guy being mean to you in a campaign. It's not a game.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Reading through that whole Mail piece, I can't help but feel a bit sorry for her initially; she sounds nice enough, and it's a complete mismatch, her vs Galloway, particularly in that constituency and with her record. But then I think about her record and what that actually _means_, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the misery of millions more, and somehow the sympathy just vanishes. It's about more than just some guy being mean to you in a campaign. It's not a game.

And she is, also, a complete social climber. No principle except doing what the boss says. A bright and personable one, to be sure, but a climber nonetheless.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Well the issue was whether her race, gender and Jewishness were an issue. Grogwilton suggested that "even the most mad dog Respectophobes have yet to provide a shred of evidence that they were".

It seems to me that her own testimony as to what Respect and its hangers on did to her is a pretty good shred. She works as a journalist and makes some or all of her living from that trade - the newspaper in which her signed article is printed ought to be irrelevant. I somehow doubt if the Islington Socially Concerned Citizen's Journal or whatever would pay as well, or get such a readership, as the Daily Mail. If you were a semi or fully professional journalist (and I don't know if you are, honest) needing to pay the electricity bill, would you turn up your nose at the Daily Mail?

Why would you take her word for it? That seems bizarre, considering that she's the party concerned. And what does making money for writing for the Mail have to do with writing things that are true?

 

[Fullyplumped]

And she is, also, a complete social climber. No principle except doing what the boss says. A bright and personable one, to be sure, but a climber nonetheless.

A bounder, a total outsider. Not one of us.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

A bounder, a total outsider. Not one of us.

I am quite happy to admit that I don't consider toadying and internal politicking either laudable, or what an elected representative should be doing.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Why would you take her word for it? That seems bizarre, considering that she's the party concerned. And what does making money for writing for the Mail have to do with writing things that are true?

Well, I've learned that women describing sexist abuse and black people describing racist abuse ought to be listened to carefully before being dismissed. If nothing else, it should be for those with an interest in defending the white male bully to show his campaign didn't do these things.

You were the one making special reference to the fact that she was writing for the Daily Mail.

 

[Fullyplumped]

I am quite happy to admit that I don't consider toadying and internal politicking either laudable, or what an elected representative should be doing.

You are clearly a very noble and high minded person, and we could do with more people like you in the corridors of power.