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Will ITV go Bust?

That said, I suppose it's just about worth keeping the BBC for its website and stuff, but I can see how countries which no longer live in feudal times might regard it all with a bit of a sense of humour.

That's another thing. The ITV website is bullshit, they should have been sorting out all that stuff years ago. The friends reunited thing is a good example of how ITVs mind works.
"Hey that face-books good, lets buy this old shit copy something popular and established with something that looks tired and old, and get in on the money train"
"oh whoops"
 
One of their responses at cost cutting was to merge the regions.

You now get Tyne Tees & Border news, which despite being supposed to be "Local" news it covers the whole of the North East, Cumbria, The Isle of Man, and the Scottish Borders. A huge, diverse area.

They have done the same with most regions. HTV West and Westcountry are now one, people in Plymouth get news about Swindon. Meridian covers everywhere from Essex to Oxfordshire after they got rid of ITV1 Thames Valley.

an so on.
 
They care only about advertising and shareholders, forgetting of course that advertisers will only advertise if ITV make good programmes that people will watch.

Same goes for all the newspapers. The Express was always shit but is the most extreme example... Richard Desmond's personal fortune has shot up while the paper's profitability and circulation fell off a cliff.

Carpetbaggers the lot of them.
 
They sold Friends Reunited and made a loss of £150m from it.

(bought it for £170m, just sold it for £25m).

Who would even buy Friends Reunited for £25 Million?! Does anyone even go there anymore?

As for focusing on ITV1, they have just cut the programe budget again, which means more cheap rubbish like Cops With Cameras and Fat Teens Out Of Control.

I quite like cops with cameras :o

I say bring back proper night time TV instead of Night Watch with Steve Scott let's have back Noisy Mothers, BPM, Pyjama Party, Hit Man & Her and Cell Block H!! :cool:
 
Who would even buy Friends Reunited for £25 Million?! Does anyone even go there anymore?



I quite like cops with cameras :o

I say bring back proper night time TV instead of Night Watch with Steve Scott let's have back Noisy Mothers, BPM, Pyjama Party, Hit Man & Her and Cell Block H!! :cool:

Well I like Nightwatch with Steve Scott. :mad:

Repackaged local crime programes during the week (These are the mean streets of Carlise....Someone has stolen a bike!)

And reconstructions of Victorian crimes at the weekend with stabby ner-do-wells and women of the night.

Better than that Quiz shit they had.

And in their defence ITV1, have started showing late films (ie 2am start) again.
 
I can't remember the last time I wanted to watch anything on ITV. What happened to stuff like Cracker or Prime Suspect? It's all American pop idol and Celebrity Worm Gobbling now. If it goes out of business it's nobody else's fault. (plus it's still 17 per cent Murdoch so fuck it).

Became too expensive I suppose. :(
 
Better than that Quiz shit they had.

That was QUITE the low point for ITV. Thank God for all those quiz scandals effectively forcing the closure of ITV Play.

"Look everyone ring this premium rate 0900 number now and guess the name of these mystery five red things you might take to the beach - you could win £5,000!!"


(and the answers were stuff like.. 'ruler..ratchet...rifle!! etc' :D)
 
That was QUITE the low point for ITV. Thank God for all those quiz scandals effectively forcing the closure of ITV Play.

"Look everyone ring this premium rate 0900 number now and guess the name of these mystery five red things you might take to the beach - you could win £5,000!!"


(and the answers were stuff like.. 'ruler..ratchet...rifle!! etc' :D)

FIVE still have the gall to show Quiz shit at the weekends.

"Name something you would find in the Universe?"

"Tick tock, start the clock! - Three minutes for our triple money round"

then after three minutes a new clock comes up for another three minute triple money round and this goes on all night.

Though the average viewer at 4am, doesn't pick up on this ploy - I am guessing! :D
 
Wouldn't surprise me. When I was a kid it had all the best shows, especially on Saturday night. Now the only time I watch it is if there's a good film on. It's that bad!
 
I'm freelancing for ITV at the moment, and it's fucking grim.

There's three of us in a 500ft sq office building. They've got at least another one near Waterloo, even bigger, completely deserted because they sacked everyone who worked there. They even want to cut the security guard on the desk. They let everyone else go, and I need to justify every courier I have to call. Most annoyingly instead of getting paid once a week I get paid every four weeks (I imagine to let the interest accrue in their account) I spoke to one of the accountants today and he's ITV staff, and he expects to not survive the next round of cuts (And wants to go). It's unbelievably grim.

And I'm working on their big Autumn drama.
 
Not pay-per-view but they were talking about making ITV 2,3,4 only available on Sky.
Why don't they just get rid of all the extra channels and just plough the resources into making decent programming for one channel?

The problem with telly nowadays is that there has been too much diversification with the result being that the programme making resources have been spread too thinly, so instead of having a channel with programmes you might want to watch (if not, you'll switch over to BBC or Channel 4 or Five), you now end up with four channels offering nothing you want to watch.

I don't see the point in having four channels when they haven't even got enough decent programming for one.
 
Why don't they just get rid of all the extra channels and just plough the resources into making decent programming for one channel?

The problem with telly nowadays is that there has been too much diversification with the result being that the programme making resources have been spread too thinly, so instead of having a channel with programmes you might want to watch (if not, you'll switch over to BBC or Channel 4 or Five), you now end up with four channels offering nothing you want to watch.

I don't see the point in having four channels when they haven't even got enough decent programming for one.

Because for ITV, ITV 2,3,4 are dirt cheap or free.

ITV 2 is just ITV1+1day or rubbish American stuff that no other network would touch over here.

ITV 3 & 4 is just archive stuff from when ITV used to be a decent channel.

Overall, cost to ITV for these channels? Sod all really, and they mop up the "multichannel" ad pot.
 
The BBC are fucking twats though.

OVerseas, there are what 5 million British people? Why in the name of fuckity fuck can't it allow British people overseas to pay to use iplayer? Say they had to pay 13 quid a month, which I in China gladly would have done, imagine the funds they could pull in. Instead, no they block it overseas and whinge on about rights restrictions bullshit. Twits.

And then there are many millions more who do respect the BBC and who want to learn English, especially in places like China, and would love to use those services.

So on the one hand, they gibber on about rights restrictions, and on the other, they come up with stuff like saying British people in the UK should pay for iplayer on top of the licence fee...

They're so out of touch it's untrue....
 
The BBC are fucking twats though.

OVerseas, there are what 5 million British people? Why in the name of fuckity fuck can't it allow British people overseas to pay to use iplayer? Say they had to pay 13 quid a month, which I in China gladly would have done, imagine the funds they could pull in. Instead, no they block it overseas and whinge on about rights restrictions bullshit. Twits.

And then there are many millions more who do respect the BBC and who want to learn English, especially in places like China, and would love to use those services.

So on the one hand, they gibber on about rights restrictions, and on the other, they come up with stuff like saying British people in the UK should pay for iplayer on top of the licence fee...

They're so out of touch it's untrue....
They do have a point about rights issues.

They might be perfectly happy to permit people outside the UK to view BBC in house programmes.

Or then again, permitting people to do so might scupper their chances of being able to sell some of their programmes to broadcasters in other countries, and therefore earn revenues that get ploughed back into the budget.

But they do have to respect the rights of producers of other programmes regarding their acquisitions. If the BBC wants to screen a documentary or a drama series or a film made externally, they don't actually buy the right to upload it to the internet and let people all around the world watch it.

The BBC don't buy the programme or film or whatever in it's entirety, they simply buy the right to broadcast it in the UK and maybe put it on iPlayer for the domestic audience.

It's like the difference between, say, The Beatles back catalogue, didn't Michael Jackson buy it? Now, he could licence use of tracks to, say, films or adverts or whatever, because he owned the intellectual property.

If you're, say, a film student, just buying a CD doesn't really give you the right to use it in a film and then show that film, because you haven't bought the rights to do so.

It's the same for the BBC, they don't own the intellectual property of external acquisitions, they simply buy a limited right to use it. If they wanted unrestricted rights, it would mean instead of say, paying for the equivalent of a CD, or like a pub landlord paying for the PRS licence, they would have to do the equivalent of buying the actual 'back catalogue' the intellectual property rights to the whole programme for uploading to the internet and being accessible to a global audience. And that would be much, much more expensive.

It's not them being arsey or mean to British expats living abroad. It's intellectual property rights and costs.
 
I still reckon there ought to be a way to work around it. Surely all those people subscribing to the iplayer from abroad would mean extra money for the artists and programme makers concerned?
 
I mean I used torrents to download stuff off UKNova, which *definitely* wouldn't help the artists. Finding a system where I could have paid to use the iplkayer would have done more :)
 
I still reckon there ought to be a way to work around it. Surely all those people subscribing to the iplayer from abroad would mean extra money for the artists and programme makers concerned?

It could be at odds with BBC worldwide contracts for exclusives.
 
That's true, but BBC worldwide isn't always available. It definitely isn't in china, for instance.

Well thats the problem, for example do you charge more for China than say Ethopia? Do you only allow IP addresses from certain countries?
 
I doubt if the price of bbc iplayer will be of much import either way to poor ethiopians...

Most won't have a credit card to pay for it anyway.

Expats might, though.
 
They sold Friends Reunited and made a loss of £150m from it.

(bought it for £170m, just sold it for £25m).

Buying Friends Reunited was amazingly clueless. At the time FR was charging £5 membership IIRC if you wanted to do anything other than put a profile on it, whereas Facebook was coming up on the rails and was totally free. Pretty bloody obvious where the market would go on social networking.
 
Problem with ITV is that it's, well, shit. ITV1 is bad enough but what incentive have advertisers got to buy slots on the extra ones? There's no programmes on that anyone wants to watch, and if there is it's just been on on ITV1 anyway. Programs that nobody watches = tiny tiny advertising revenues = broken TV channel. I bet you could put an advert on ITV3 daytime as cheap as a sellers advert on Ebay :D
 
The only thing I watch on ITV is Corrie. Mind you that's the only thing... hang on I do like Top Gear and Mock The Week.

So that's 1 program on ITV and 2 on BBC, these are the only programs I watch.
 
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