Wiccan, Pagan or Shamanic Healer Needed

[Wanderer]

Hi everyone,

My friend Lucinda had a horrible LSD experience over the weekend and is currently under psychiatric observation. I need to help her. Can anyone recommend me a powerful and caring shamanic or pagan healer? PM would be great!

Thank you.

Love and Light,

Wanderer

 

[Cid]

Um... Troll? Please say you're a troll...

If not, well - you should be helping them get over their delusions, not feeding them.

 

[Idris2002]

The absolute last thing someone in that situation needs is some New Age wanker who's set themselves up as a 'shamanic healer'.

 

[Rune]

Hi everyone,

My friend Lucinda had a horrible LSD experience over the weekend and is currently under psychiatric observation. I need to help her. Can anyone recommend me a powerful and caring shamanic or pagan healer?

If she's in a hospital, do you honestly expect the ward to allow a shaman or pagan healer on the ward? All she probably needs is a bit of a rest.

 

[Loki]

... and a bit of sanity!

 

[Rune]

Forgot to ask. How would such a healer help your friend?

 

[Blagsta]

Shamanic healer, my arse!

 

[Thora]

I'll give it a go! How much are you willing to pay?

 

[Psychonaut]

If she's in a hospital, do you honestly expect the ward to allow a shaman or pagan healer on the ward? All she probably needs is a bit of a rest.

Why not, they let Jehovahs Witnesses in

E2A - im thinking of a longer-term 'chronic' unit, so that might be different.

 

[118118]

I would have been quite pleased to have a shamen turn up when I was an in patient.
lol what do I know.

 

[wiskey]

tbh i dont think that any sort of healer is going to help except time.

and normality, and friends and routine.

be there for them but really, why do you want a healer?

 

[118118]

normality, and friends and routine

Yeah, that sounds imminently more sensible - just that, in a way, having a pagan healer turn up would almost add a bit of normailty to a totally rediculous sitiation (if they are there against their will).

 

[Guineveretoo]

Strange forum for this thread!

 

[frogwoman]

maybe the girl is wiccan or a pagan herself?

in which case, havin someone there to talk to, put their hands on her or whatever healers do and relax her mind might work, it might not cure her but it might put her mind at ease and make her feel more comfortable, no?

i know christians that have been to healing sessions and it's not my cup of tea but it seems to make them feel better, and surely someone who's been through a traumatic experience or had a bad trip, should be helped that way?

or are you guys, really so obsessed with slagging off religion that you think that someone shouldn't be helped in the way that they feel happy with and what they want?

 

[Loki]

er, shamanic healers, numerologists or whatever kind of charlatan are rarely a good solution to treating people with mental health issues afaik.

rolleyes: back)

 

[frogwoman]

well obviously they're not a substitute for professional medical help and there are a hell of alot of charlatans out there

but if that's what she wants and she reckons it will help her psychologically (and the guy's not ripping her off), why shouldn't she do it?

i admit i dont know much about this, btw so i could be talkin complete bollocks

 

[Loki]

I'd say it's fine if someone turns up wanting to dabble in a bit of quackery, new age or otherwise, just for the fun of it, recommend away! But if it's someone who needs some serious help with their sanity then it's prolly best for them to see a professional

 

[Udo Erasmus]

I can't recommend a shamanic healer, but if you read some of the works of 60s anti-pysychiatrists like R. D. Laing and David Cooper, they did somework helping people who had bad experiences with LSD.

Some chapters in the middle of Laing's "The Politics of Experience AND The Bird of Paradise" might be helpful, some of there colleagues in this movement also wrote about shamanism as a primitive but still valid form of psychotherapy.

 

[ZWord]

As psychiatrists don't understand the relationship between the brain, mind and spirit, they're just as much charlatans as anyone else involved in treating people suffering mental problems-- probably more so, really, as psychiatry doesn't have a very long history, and starts from a false worldview as its premise, whereas shamanic healing's been around since before recorded history. Though obviously it's true that some "shamanic healers" are charlatans, - I don't see why anyone should think that being a licensed mental health "professional" is a qualification or guarantee of expertise or good treatment. After all, professional in this context means what? - or that they're part of the medical profession? And the medical profession is well qualified to treat physical problems - as they understand how the body works. But the same is not true as regards mental/spiritual problems.

 

[miss giggles]

Well said zword.

I don't understand why people think it's an either or situation. I've had some horrible experiances with acid, but also, on the same trip, some startling insights into myself.

Perhaps some spiritual comfort is just what this girl needs right now. Closed wards are pretty frightening places.

 

[Psychonaut]

Great post ZWord, i wanted to say something similar but couldnt find the right words, and i was expecting to be ridiculed.

 

[wiskey]

As psychiatrists don't understand the relationship between the brain, mind and spirit, they're just as much charlatans as anyone else involved in treating people suffering mental problems-- probably more so, really, as psychiatry doesn't have a very long history, and starts from a false worldview as its premise, whereas shamanic healing's been around since before recorded history. Though obviously it's true that some "shamanic healers" are charlatans, - I don't see why anyone should think that being a licensed mental health "professional" is a qualification or guarantee of expertise or good treatment. After all, professional in this context means what? - or that they're part of the medical profession? And the medical profession is well qualified to treat physical problems - as they understand how the body works. But the same is not true as regards mental/spiritual problems.

fair post.

what i said was routine, friends and normaility - being in an institution of any kind is not normal is it.

so is wanderer going to come back and say anything else??

 

[Wanderer]

Um... Troll? Please say you're a troll...

If not, well - you should be helping them get over their delusions, not feeding them.

Thanks for your helpful response to my honest question. Yes, clearly I'm a troll and have been building up my post count just to spring this post on you. Idiot.

The absolute last thing someone in that situation needs is some New Age wanker who's set themselves up as a 'shamanic healer'.

Again, very helpful and considerate post.

Shamanic healer my Arse

Yep, cheers Blagsta. Another fine post. You really are so witty, urbane and constructive.

what i said was routine, friends and normaility - being in an institution of any kind is not normal is it.

so is wanderer going to come back and say anything else??

Yes indeed:

I have talked to my friend's parents and they have told me that she is showing minor signs of improvement. However, she is still, in the words of her father, "away with the fairies" and its seems it will take a long time for her to recover. Hopefully the hospital will let her come home next week.

Many thanks to all the people who PM'd me with advice and suggestions and who posted constructive comments on this thread.

Many thanks also to everyone who posted the usual knee-jerk, pathetically predictable U75 flame comments on this thread. It's always great to read that sort of shit when someone you love is ill and you ask for help.

I will be speaking to my friend's parent again this week and will continue to post on this thread if anyone is interested in hearing about her recovery.

 

[Loki]

Many thanks also to everyone who posted the usual knee-jerk, pathetically predictable U75 flame comments on this thread. It's always great to read that sort of shit when someone you love is ill and you ask for help.

If you're including me there then you're welcome - no thanks needed. I've seen first hand the result of someone with mental health issues going to a mystic instead of seeking professional help - and it wasn't pretty.

Really hope your friend makes a speedy recovery.

 

[Guineveretoo]

I remain perplexed at this being posted in the "philosophy" forum!

You would probably get more informed and sympathetic/empathetic responses if you had put it in "health, relationships and sexuality"....

 

[wiskey]

I will be speaking to my friend's parent again this week and will continue to post on this thread if anyone is interested in hearing about her recovery.

i'd be interested, if you fancy explaining a bit about what happened?

you dont have to. its just i've seen bad acid trips but never so bad that the person was sectioned. also how old is your friend? m or f?

i'm being nosey but i'm curious.

 

[dylanredefined]

If she believes in that stuff might help if not I cant see how it would help and might make things worse .Hope lucinda makes a good recovery.

 

[Wanderer]

If you're including me there then you're welcome - no thanks needed. I've seen first hand the result of someone with mental health issues going to a mystic instead of seeking professional help - and it wasn't pretty.

Really hope your friend makes a speedy recovery.

Thanks Loki.

The reason I'm going down this route is that I have seen first hand the result of someone with mental health issues being pumped full of drugs on a psychiatric ward and becoming even more ill as a result. Shamanism has been around for a lot longer than the pharmaceutical industry and is not, IMHO, some "hokey new age nonsense".

I remain perplexed at this being posted in the "philosophy" forum!

You would probably get more informed and sympathetic/empathetic responses if you had put it in "health, relationships and sexuality"....

Good suggestion - Can a mod please move it? I posted it in here because of the Shamanic element.

i'd be interested, if you fancy explaining a bit about what happened?

you dont have to. its just i've seen bad acid trips but never so bad that the person was sectioned. also how old is your friend? m or f?

i'm being nosey but i'm curious.

Hi Wiskey - I will write a more detailed post tonight when I'm back from work.

 

[max_freakout]

I have a friend who is an absolutely AMAZING psychic healer, well she gets annoyed when i refer to it as that, she calls it 'vortex' healing but anyway she's still amazing, and i think Lucinda might benefit from a visit from her, she's in Ireland at the moment but ought to be back soon, you know the ex-flatmate im always talking about? She has the gift of healing anyway we'll speak later about it

 

[max_freakout]

i'd be interested, if you fancy explaining a bit about what happened?

you dont have to. its just i've seen bad acid trips but never so bad that the person was sectioned. also how old is your friend? m or f?

i'm being nosey but i'm curious.

The girl in question seemed to me to be a bit 'delicately poised', ie she's already close to the fairies all the time, the acid just pushed her that little bit further....